Massachusetts store clerk indicted after stealing lottery ticket worth $3 million from customer

Comment #47

KY Floyd — Sun, 28 May 2023 06:37:50 GMT

Is a lottery ticket a bearer Instrument

The general (and easy) answer is yes, but most people misunderstand what that means. There are registered instruments and bearer instruments. Registered instruments are called that because the owner information is registered. Anyone who owns any type of US security, such as stocks or bonds, issued since 1982 owns registered instruments.

Bearer instruments are unregistered instruments, so the issuing entity doesn't have any record of who the owner... [ More ]

Comment #46

Stack47 — Tue, 23 May 2023 03:17:05 GMT

The KY Lottery finally started sending out the Keno vouchers.

Comment #45

eddessaknight — Sun, 21 May 2023 22:20:36 GMT

Howard Scott defined a criminal As:

A person with predatory instincts who has insufficient capitol to form a corporation.

Comment #44

GiveFive — Sun, 21 May 2023 20:45:46 GMT

No doubt about it - each state's approach to the claiming of a winning ticket of a significant prize is different.

I Googled Is a lottery ticket a bearer Instrument and found lots of articles. Reading through the articles it wasn't all that clear if a ticket is a bearer instrument or not. I did see something that said by signing the back of the ticket that essentially makes it your property.

My guess for Florida is that you might show up at Lottery HQ with a big winner, but that doesn't... [ More ]

Comment #43

cottoneyedjoe — Sun, 21 May 2023 17:36:43 GMT

That's interesting, G5. I read through the CA regulations and the only instance of bearer instrument is this paragraph talking about tickets bought at the pump.

Receipts issued by Fuel Pump Terminals that indicate numbers played are not traditional Lottery Tickets, are not bearer instruments, have no cash value, and are not evidence of the right to the chance to win a Prize or Promotional Award in a Lottery game.

Elsewhere in the regs I also found this paragraph:

If the Lottery esta... [ More ]

Comment #42

GiveFive — Sun, 21 May 2023 12:56:31 GMT

I'd also point out that bearer instruments typically have printed on them Pay to the bearer on demand . Although I'm not sure those words must be printed on each and every type of bearer instrument, you sure don't see those words printed on a lottery ticket. G5

Comment #41

GiveFive — Sun, 21 May 2023 12:43:06 GMT

I just read the official rules for Florida Fantasy5, Florida Lotto, and Florida's Jackpot Triple Play. None of those three documents contain the words bearer instrument . Nor does The Florida Lottery recommend signing the back of the ticket in the official rules. That's printed on the back of the ticket.

Signing a ticket is the best and only way to protect yourself from loss or theft of your ticket. If you signed your ticket, lost it, reported to the lottery that you lost it and won a large... [ More ]

Comment #40

Bleudog101 — Sun, 21 May 2023 11:21:24 GMT

Read the MUSL Powerball rules. Couldn't find that the ticket was called a bearer instrument.

One thing that struck me regarding ticketless sales was the very last sentence: A receipt for a Ticketless Transaction Play has no value and is not evidence of a Play .

OK, I get 'no value', but no evidence of Play? So if a computer glitch occurs which @ some point probably will what happens then

Comment #39

Bleudog101 — Sun, 21 May 2023 10:57:29 GMT

KY: Sign ticket immediately. Ticket is the only receipt you have to claim a prize.

It goes on and on about how to claim a prize up $600 and then again over $600. Nowhere on it does it say bearer instrument.

I'll try to look through their rules and regulations and see what the fine print is.

Comment #38

GiveFive — Sat, 20 May 2023 21:49:43 GMT

The words bearer instrument do not appear on the back of Florida Lottery tickets. It does say to sign the back of the ticket. G5

Comment #37

cottoneyedjoe — Sat, 20 May 2023 18:01:42 GMT

All states are different. Based on what I know about the California Lottery and what I have read, I think even under this scenario the CA Lottery would not pay the claimant. There's a precedent of going out of their way to find the original owner. I agree these are interesting hypothetical scenarios to discuss.

For all this talk of bearer instruments, here is the exact legal verbiage on the back of a CA Lottery draw ticket (as of a week ago when I purchased this loser):

Your ticket, not... [ More ]

Comment #36

billybucks — Sat, 20 May 2023 15:16:00 GMT

The odds of someone losing a major winning lottery ticket and having someone find it are higher than an individual just winning it in the first place. Unlikely that has ever happened or ever will.

Comment #35

Artist77 — Sat, 20 May 2023 11:04:12 GMT

I am always entertained when someone starts whining about alleged off topic responses. The responses here (Minus the whiner) were a natural and logical exploration and extrapolation of the news article topic. Intellectual curiosity is lost on whiners.

I think it would be a fascinating situation if someone found and disclosed a major winning lottery ticket.

Comment #34

Artist77 — Sat, 20 May 2023 10:59:20 GMT

Comment #33

Brock Lee — Sat, 20 May 2023 00:24:55 GMT

what prompt did you give chatgpt to make it produce that nonsense? neat trick btw.

Comment #32

Stack47 — Fri, 19 May 2023 23:55:09 GMT

I can't find the why is the sun hot discussion on LP, but if that knowledge helps you win a lottery jackpot, good luck.

It's not unusual for lottery discussion to go off topic including different opinions on what $1 million plus jackpot winners are asked when they validate their tickets. With 47 different lottery jurisdictions selling MM tickets, it's possible that everybody could be right.

There a huge difference between finding a ticket in parking lot and saying bought the winning tic... [ More ]

Comment #31

Bleudog101 — Fri, 19 May 2023 17:02:52 GMT

Like my story from probably three years ago. A well heeled lady playing scratch tickets and ATM right next to it. She played for a good long time and finally left. She tossed a $200 ticket. Took it to another store in town to cash in. some lying azz customer heard me talking to the clerk and said it was his. Told him it wasn't even from this store. Cashed it and left. Only found a $50 ticket since then.

Comment #30

GiveFive — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:10:03 GMT

I can understand video evidence of someone throwing a ticket into a garbage can demonstrates intent to abandon a ticket.

Video evidence of someone accidentally and unknowingly dropping a ticket to my mind does not demonstrate intent. They simply lost their ticket. If at a later point in time I find it lying on the ground, and it's not signed on the back, then it's mine. Unless I actually saw the person drop it, I'd have no way of knowing who originally bought it so that I could return it to... [ More ]

Comment #29

Brock Lee — Fri, 19 May 2023 03:47:31 GMT

someone who actually visited the sun could tell us if the sun is hot. short of that we can only speculate.

Comment #28

Stack47 — Fri, 19 May 2023 01:13:32 GMT

Now why would they ask you that?

Like I said in my last post, someone that actually won a $1 million plus jackpot could tell us the entire ticket validation process or a lottery official could too. Short of that we can only speculate on if the ticket holder is asked questions about purchasing the ticket.

According to the article the guy that bought the ticket forgot his lottery tickets in the terminal tray , but when 45 minutes later when another customer bought tickets, Nunes entered

Comment #27

Artist77 — Thu, 18 May 2023 15:34:18 GMT

Exactly. If you find a discarded ticket in the parking lot, there may be a video of it and/or of a person clearly discarding a ticket. In that case, you likely win. Now if the person seems to unknowingly drop the ticket, that is a different situation.

Comment #26

db101 — Thu, 18 May 2023 14:44:43 GMT

It's been discussed on this forum many times before that lotteries don't consider a top tier prize winning ticket a bearer instrument. If they paid it out to any rando who came into HQ bearing a winning instrument, and that rando happened to have stolen it, it would be super duper bad press for the lottery. In the age of ubiquitous surveillance, you can bet you a$$ they are going to review the footage.

Comment #25

Artist77 — Thu, 18 May 2023 10:06:07 GMT

Lottery officials have standard operating procedures and with large jackpot wins, you WILL be asked questions.

Your lack of ethics is appalling. You will get nothing if they ascertain that you lied.

Comment #24

MrLotto$ — Thu, 18 May 2023 07:22:51 GMT

Now why would they ask you that? And if you was up front if you found it guess what? you get nothing..

Comment #23

Stack47 — Thu, 18 May 2023 04:47:03 GMT

I usually use a kiosk machine to purchase tickets and wouldn't even know if I had extra tickets until I checked them. And even then if the tickets were for the same game I played, I wouldn't know for sure which of those tickets someone else bought.

Having never cashed a $1 million plus ticket, I don't know what questions the people validating the ticket ask; maybe someone that actually won that large a prize could tell us. Nunes and Reddem raised a red flag when they were arguing in the lobb... [ More ]

Comment #22

Artist77 — Thu, 18 May 2023 00:53:22 GMT

Lottery officials would still ask you if you purchased the ticket. If I found a huge winner in a discarded ticket, I would be upfront about it. As you said, people discard tickets when they hear the jp was won somewhere else. Unless the purchaser was looking for the ticket which is unlikely, you would be in the clear. Hopefully lottery officials would not seek the original purchaser and look at the video absent other facts.

Comment #21

billybucks — Wed, 17 May 2023 23:34:42 GMT

I don't believe they would have stiffed the guy as he would have exposed them with the lottery officials and cops. He wanted more than a lousy 10% or so. I think 200k was fair for a ride to the lottery office.

Comment #20

Brock Lee — Wed, 17 May 2023 21:48:55 GMT

mysteriously burned ticket... my first thought as well.

Comment #19

winterhug — Wed, 17 May 2023 16:50:55 GMT

I guess it all depends on how much the winning lottery ticket was worth. I did find a winning lottery ticket in the parking lot about a year ago, but it was only for $4. I cashed it in with no problems. There are some people who do buy lottery tickets and only care about the jackpot, anything less they don't want it. If that ticket I found in the parking lot was worth $1M or $50K, I probably would have mailed it in to lottery headquarters so, there would not be any questioned asking about where... [ More ]

Comment #18

Artist77 — Wed, 17 May 2023 14:39:06 GMT

Remember that there has to be an intent to abandon a ticket. If one can prove it was lost or stolen and efforts were made to find it, that overrides the bearer instrument theory.

Comment #17

MrLotto$ — Wed, 17 May 2023 07:25:03 GMT

Oh well you two enjoy your stay at Club Fed

Comment #16

MrLotto$ — Wed, 17 May 2023 07:18:39 GMT

It's hard to trust anybody in that situation.. and who's to say she would have even gave him $200,000 that's the purpose of keeping it to yourself... that's surely what I would have done..

Comment #15

grwurston — Wed, 17 May 2023 06:25:16 GMT

She said the ticket got burned when she placed it on a pipe. What kind of pipe? And why would she place it on a pipe?

I would have said I accidentally washed my wallet and tried drying everything in it in the microwave. Don't laugh, it works. I'm serious. It's quicker than leaving every thing on a table under a light bulb for a few hours.

But it will burn your lottery tickets.

Comment #14

billybucks — Wed, 17 May 2023 05:03:39 GMT

Apparently needing a driver ended up costing her. The driver should have just taken the 200k and not tried to extort the crooked cashier and all would have been fine. The tear and the burn wouldn't have caused an investigation all on its own but that argument inside the lottery office raised eyebrows. Why didn't he just wait in the car.

Comment #13

MrLotto$ — Wed, 17 May 2023 03:45:39 GMT

Finders keepers losers weepers

Comment #12

MrLotto$ — Wed, 17 May 2023 03:44:31 GMT

That's a great point.. but I guess when nobody comes forward it's not a crime..

Comment #11

TheMeatman2005 — Wed, 17 May 2023 03:44:07 GMT

If you find a lottery ticket and it's a winner, you can keep the money.

Lottery tickets are bearer instruments and whomever possesses and signs the back is the owner/winner.

Just remember, you didn't steal it, you found it.

Comment #10

MrLotto$ — Wed, 17 May 2023 03:42:35 GMT

Being greedy is one thing but being greedy and stupid is another thing.. a few things wrong with this story 1st which tickets did she hand the other customer? the losing tickets or the winning tickets because the story did say he bought two different games...anyway if she found out that it was for 3 million dollars there shouldn't have been an argument with anyone because she could have drove herself over there or get there any other kind of way all by herself without letting anybody know about... [ More ]

Comment #9

Poo Nanny — Tue, 16 May 2023 23:35:32 GMT

So let me ask this then. Every once in awhile I will find a lotto ticket in a store parking lot for a current drawing. If that found ticket wins would they press charges against me if I try and cash it

Comment #8

goldfish777 — Tue, 16 May 2023 23:30:11 GMT

This is very common, I would go to a grocery store to cash my tickets as a lot of other people did too (Older, elderly etc) the clerk was very charming and always made them smile. However, I noticed she would always short me my winnings or say I didn't win if I had multiple winning tickets. I noticed I had to correct every trip, it made me wonder if she was doing the same thing to the old people and they weren't catching on?? I reported her to the manager and even though she still works there, t... [ More ]

Comment #7

fancyone29 — Tue, 16 May 2023 20:12:06 GMT

She sounds like a meth head . What pipe

Comment #6

SAJAN123456 — Tue, 16 May 2023 17:46:06 GMT

That's so honest and kind of the Massachusetts Lottery.

Comment #5

bub1964 — Tue, 16 May 2023 16:42:37 GMT

Glad the lottery did an investigation and the rightful owner got the payout

Comment #4

Loosechange45 — Tue, 16 May 2023 16:30:18 GMT

had this happen to me and I said the ticket was a winners he said it didnt scan right I said give it back to me I will throw it out never went back to that store ever (it was only 5$ but the point

Comment #3

noise-gate — Tue, 16 May 2023 16:14:08 GMT

* That happened to a lottery winner named Baldimir Agnite from CA back in 2012. They exposed the guy on TV for not coming forward to claim his prize after 30 days. They got heat for it.

Comment #2

JustMaybe — Tue, 16 May 2023 15:03:59 GMT

I wonder why they don't put the same effort when a winner does not come forward to claim their prize.

You know, check the video at the exact purchase time and put out some photos of the winner

Or is it because the State gets to keep the money

Nway, what do I even know

Comment #1

Bleudog101 — Tue, 16 May 2023 14:44:27 GMT

What the dregs of the Earth won't do.

Lakeville has had its share of big time winners. Had never been there and last time home ventured there to buy losing lottery tickets

Massachusetts store clerk indicted after stealing lottery ticket worth $3 million from customer

Lottery Post — Tue, 16 May 2023 10:32:01 GMT

Cashier switched her story during investigation, something didn't add up

By Kate Northrop

A liquor store clerk and her coworker have been indicted on charges that they stole a winning Massachusetts Lottery ticket worth $3 million and attempted to cash it in.

Following a four-month investigation, a Plymouth County grand jury indicted Carly Nunes, 23, of Lakeville, on multiple criminal charges for stealing and attempting to claim a winning lottery ticket worth $3 million.

Massachus... [ More ]