what is a good lottery system?

Reply #24

BobP — Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:24:43 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Hyperdimension on December 1, 2004Hi, BobP, wrote:At the very least get the free older copy of CoverMaster v54 from here:color=#800080http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html Covermaster version 0.54.2.0 the latest free version here:http://homepage.ntlworld.com/honest.john/ Covermaster is great for wheeling, its wheels are as good as the world record wheels, if you compare covermaster wheels with the best wheels they are very similar.. you also can optimize the whee... [ More ]

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Hyperdimension — Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:05:46 GMT

Hi, BobP, wrote:At the very least get the free older copy of CoverMaster v54 from here: color=#800080http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html Covermaster version 0.54.2.0 the latest free version here:http://homepage.ntlworld.com/honest.john/ Covermaster is great for wheeling, its wheels are as good as the world record wheels, if you compare covermaster wheels with the best wheels they are very similar.. you also can optimize the wheels.Cya

Reply #22

lottoshlep — Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:01:32 GMT

Hey BobP,love the tranny analogy, don't think I have seen wheeling described any better bfr. You best copyright them words or I just might steal them on ya, Cheers

Reply #21

BobP — Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:06:20 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on November 30, 2004BobP,I'm not used to thinking in terms of wheeling, so I'm going to have to study and digest what you've offered. It definitely seems like a more methodical approach than I have for putting number selections into play, but I think that I'm first going to have to work on that if of consistently predicting four or more numbers.I suppose successful lottery play with any system takes a mixture of persistence, skill, and luck. I'm not exac... [ More ]

Reply #20

Vinicius — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:28:08 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on November 30, 2004I suppose successful lottery play with any system takes a mixture of persistence, skill, and luck. I'm not exactly sure what the proper mixture is, but I wouldn't totally discount any of those elements. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to offer your insights. You're two of the best minds on this site.Good luck,aye'Very well said, persistence, skill, and luck. thats all there is into it.

Reply #19

ayenowitall — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:50:02 GMT

RJOh,I think you've pretty well summed up the ifs situation. Actually, I have tried the approach of making up my own QPs using all the numbers in the pool. I've just never had any appreciable luck with it. I've noticed that you have enjoyed some success, so maybe there's some validity to the filters you apply. I enjoy trying to predict the winning numbers, so I guess I'm basically applying filters to arrive at my number selections before I randomly arrange them into lines for play.BobP,I'm not... [ More ]

Reply #18

BobP — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:40:00 GMT

If you can guarantee 3 right in the first 10 number group and 3 right in the second 10 number group this wheel will guarantee a 3# prize in 13 lines. 1 2 3 4 9 17 1 2 3 11 12 13 1 2 9 14 19 20 1 2 10 14 17 20 1 2 11 15 16 19 3 4 10 11 18 20 3 7 8 14 18 20 4 5 6 14 15 16 4 9 10 12 13 17 5 6 9 12 13 19 5 6 10 11 15 16 7 8 9 17 18 19 7 8 12 13 15 16end 13 lines BobP

Reply #17

Vinicius — Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:56:51 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on November 29, 20043 hits in the first 10 would be a very nice start, I think.Then, 6hits in the first 20 would be a very nice start as well

Reply #16

LANTERN — Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:42:19 GMT

3 hits in the first 10 would be a very nice start, I think.

Reply #15

johnph77 — Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:28:27 GMT

A good lottery system is one that can increase the bottom line - the payout percentage of the game. Period. And no system ever concocted has yet has been capable of doing this, guarantees notwithstanding. I'd be willing to bet that no one has ever received compensation or a refund from any of these vendors as a result of their system not working - and that's the only guarantee you'll get.

Reply #14

ExpertLotto — Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:49:09 GMT

thanx everybody for all the replies, much appreciated.however i'd like to elaborate my question a bit. the way i see it there are at least two steps in each lottery strategy:1. select/estimate/guess numbers which are likely to hit in the next draw.2. organize these numbers into a wheel.the result of our expert lotto predictor will be a list of numbers with a percentage probability of hit in the next draw. everybody can decide then whether they wish to play the first 10 most likely numbers or the... [ More ]

Reply #13

BobP — Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:00:07 GMT

Takes 21 lines to play a non-split 24# wheel (24,6,3,6,21) with the guarantee of a 3# prize. Odds are fairly good you'll have a winning ticket with only 4 or 5 of the 6 winning numbers among your 24 and of multiple 3# prizes or a 4# prize a percentage of times with all 6 winning numbers.Of course this isn't a jackpot and if you can't predict 4 or more winning numbers among 24 often enough to be useful it isn't worth doing.I only believe in filtering if you simply do not have to budget to play t... [ More ]

Reply #12

RJOh — Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:21:06 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on November 28, 2004BobP,I'm not opposed to wheeling.................................... I don't really believe in the rigid use of filters............................all wheel guarantees are based on some very big ifs , so I'm reluctant to put much faith in........................... aye' Since we can't play every combinations in a lottery, every combinations we play are based on ifs . When we use a wheel or a filter, we are choosing the ifs we want... [ More ]

Reply #11

ayenowitall — Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:28:55 GMT

BobP,I'm not opposed to wheeling. I've actually used some rather small ones with very good results. In those cases, I think I was just lucky to have been working with the right small group of numbers. But how does one make practical application of a wheel to a jackpot game if you're working with half the field in the range of 24 to 27 numbers?I don't really believe in the rigid use of filters per se because I recognize all combinations of numbers as being equally possible in a drawing. It seems... [ More ]

Reply #10

BobP — Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:08:12 GMT

When you drop a wheel into a tester like CoverMaster you know exactly the precentage of coverage the wheel provides for each prize tier. This only applies to the raw wheel pointer numbers, or a wheel playing all the numbers, it can't test a loaded wheel as you'd play it, though you can reduce it back to pointer by numbering the numbers (isn't english fun).Anyway, you can see how likely a wheel is to play above it's guarantee. Though I do find a wheel that covers multiple oppertunities, such as... [ More ]

Reply #9

relowe — Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:00:11 GMT

Quote: Generally what players want is a steady stream of semi profitable small wins while seeing the jackpot oppertunity is possible by having all the winning numbers within the wheeling field on a fairly regular baisi even if they don't all come together on a single line.In a 6/49 game you're only expected to have all six winning numbers among a predicted field of 24 about 1 time in 100 tries, the better you're beating those odds the better the prediction system. BobPBobP,Couldn't agree more.... [ More ]

Reply #8

BobP — Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:38:53 GMT

Three winning numbers among ten: (10,6,3,3,10) a 3if3of6in10numbers wheel takes 10 lines to guarantee a 3# prize worth about $4.50 to $5.50 in U.S. Pick-6 games depending on size, some pay only a dollar like W.V. 6/25.Two winning numbers generally wins you nothing.The only way having 2 or 3 winning numbers among 10 has any value to players is if they use a group wheel where the first 2 or 3 numbers for each line come from the first group and the remaining numbers for each line come from a seco... [ More ]

Reply #7

Guru — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:49:00 GMT

The standard deviation is a good way to determine the quality of a forecasting system.If a system is capable of beating random expectations continuously with more than 3 standard deviations, then it can safely be considered valuable.

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MADDOG10 — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:47:13 GMT

IMG alt=Sherlock src= http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_2_107.gif > luck + logic would = or

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spock — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:10:39 GMT

Breaking even is better than good.

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waynr — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:54:36 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ExpertLotto on November 26, 2004 we've just started working on a new lottery prediction plugin for our expert lotto software and the question i'd like to ask is:how good a lottery prediction system must be to be considered good?is it 50% chance of hitting 3 numbers out of 10?or 95% chance of getting 2 numbers out of 10?or ...?You could start with the best and work down. Best=100% (10 out of 10), Outstanding=90%, Excellent=80%, Very good=70% and Good is WOW, only 6 out... [ More ]

Reply #3

BobP — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:30:56 GMT

Should put all the winning numbers in a field half the size of the game more often then not. BobP

Reply #2

ayenowitall — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:24:13 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ExpertLotto on November 26, 2004how good a lottery prediction system must be to be considered good?I would hold any lottery prediction system to the same standard that I've always held myself to when playing the lottery. Beyond the entertainment aspect, I don't consider myself to be doing good unless my lottery play is actually turning a profit. Is anyone truly pleased or proud when losing money? I think not.If you can come up with a lottery prediction system that a... [ More ]

Reply #1

LANTERN — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:44:32 GMT

It must do better than random expectation whatever that is.I would think that 50% chance of hitting 3 out of 10 would be best and then ways of filtering out the bad numbers and wheeling the rest and or wheeling the numbers and then filtering out the bad combos out of them.Whatever or whichever gives better results.Very much good luck to you.

what is a good lottery system?

ExpertLotto — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:33:00 GMT

we've just started working on a new lottery prediction plugin for our expert lotto software and the question i'd like to ask is:how good a lottery prediction system must be to be considered good?is it 50% chance of hitting 3 numbers out of 10?or 95% chance of getting 2 numbers out of 10?or ...