How many combinations to win MM with ?

Reply #41

RJOh — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:29:31 GMT

In my opinion pick3 and pick4 games are totally different when compared to pick5 and pick6 games.Pick3 and pick4 have 3 or 4 groups of ten numbers (0-9), one number is picked from each group and doubles, triples and boxed hits are unique to these games. Pick5 and pick6 on the hand have one group of numbers (25-60) and each number is picked from that one group and the order of their picks don't effect their value. Programs that evaluate both types of games the same way haven't been very successf... [ More ]

Reply #40

LANTERN — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:39:46 GMT

RJOHThanks a lot, Yes the numbers need to be trapped just once.Now a help to tight-filtering would be to try to predict what pattern or patterns and or numbers might show-up next and or in a near future draw(s).You can try to predict future number(s) pattern(s) and or future numbers.One or the other, or both.So, you can filter by pattern(s), by numbers, or both ways.Also by whole complete number and by particular segment(s) by position.It might perhaps be best to start only with the main numbers... [ More ]

Reply #39

RJOh — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:25:50 GMT

When I reduced those parameters by 25% to sums = 100-170, ranges 22-49 and gaps = 1-20, 1,330,004 combinations were covered which reduced the odds of winning from 1:175,711,536 to 1:61,180,184. When I applied those reduced parameters to the actual data of MegaMillions winning numbers, 43% of the numbers were totally within those reduced parameters. I concluded that 43% of the time, my odds of winning would improve 287% by picking my combinations accordingly.RJOh

Reply #38

RJOh — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:02:42 GMT

You are correct, what was shown was the basic subroutine to print all the combinations. Inputs for the variables CS and HN and the selected parameters are entered else where in the program.Subroutines to filter and count the combinations within those parameters are also needed. For example I used SUM as the variable for sums and LS (low sum) and HS (high sum) as their limits. Then in a subroutine I used the statement SUM=N1+N2+N3+N4+N5 and then used another statement IF SUM<LS OR SUM>HS to coun... [ More ]

Reply #37

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:45:41 GMT

You said that that filtered out only 2%.If you just had filtered out 1 root instead, it would had filtered out 1/10 or 10% of the total combos, much better, right ?, just one single root and nothing else.Bye.

Reply #36

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:04:38 GMT

I think that it is best not to try to get the winning combo on every draw, but to trap it every so many draws.The winning combos don't have to pass the filters every-draw, they have to pass only one time on one draw.

Reply #35

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:50:29 GMT

To see how these things work, you should start with a made up game of say 4/20, compute all it's possible combos and then start filtering them with many filters one at a time and then some together and then all of them together, develop your begining filters on this made-up game, since it does not have as many combos you will be able to see the effects of filtering on it a lot better than on a big game.Or better yet use some state game that has 4 main balls only and not too many total numbers li... [ More ]

Reply #34

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:39:52 GMT

Also RJOH, sums filter little unless you narrow them even more, Roots (standard) and Last Digit Sums' Roots filter out a lot more combos, but have to be used extensively all across by numbers' positions and the sums also and even then they are not enough, other filters have also to be used very aggressively by position also, for jackpot kind of games you have to use the whole spectrum of filters and by position(s), not just across the whole number.Otherwise there is little filtering done.Also nu... [ More ]

Reply #33

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:32:01 GMT

Filtering by position might be where it is at, otherwise there is hardly any filtering done at all.By the way I like to know more about your GWBasic routines like the one above, I don't see where it ask you to enter the games' numbers like 6/49 or 5/44 + 1/44 or whatever, should not there be one or more INPUT routines ? And maybe a WAIT or something ?I also would like to see some filtering, example routines, so I can see how lottery filtering routines are made or coded, I don't know anything abo... [ More ]

Reply #32

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:20:37 GMT

Filtering is not just a waste of time, but there has to be SOME REAL FILTERING. And also some real number groups wheeling, either by position (Best) or across the board (O.K. but not very good).

Reply #31

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:15:53 GMT

Aggressive filtering is the only way to reduce the combos enough for jackpot kind of games, otherwise your RNG is mostly just giving you a list of 500 Random Numbers.

Reply #30

LANTERN — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:09:26 GMT

RJOHAs with the pick 3 most of the combos for the games are exactly on the middle sums, the ones that you are not filtering out, that is why your filters by themselves are not very good, that is what I have been trying to tell you, that is why your are not getting the winning numbers on your 500 or so combos.

Reply #29

RJOh — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:02:01 GMT

I did the count using those parameters which only reduced the possible combinations from 3,819,816 to 3,743,683, so the real odds are 1:172,209,418 instead of 1:175,711,586 about a 2% improvement, not a lot for all that filtering. Makes me think that all the filtering may be a waste of time.RJOh

Reply #28

RJOh — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:35:27 GMT

This thread started with the question How many combinations would it take to win 20% to 50% of the time with a game such as MegaMillions? . I know that all winning combinations of MM have so far have had sums of 49-227 with 75% within 100-170, gaps of 1-43 with 75% within 1-13 and ranges of 14-55 with 75% within 22-49. I know that it's likely that future winners will also fall within these parameters, but I lack the math skills to figure out the number of combinations that are within these para... [ More ]

Reply #27

LANTERN — Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:37:05 GMT

Jackpot lottery programs have only some, maybe few of the jackpot game filters that I would use, so I can't use many of my filters with them.But I will try to use whatever they have, I will have to start testing some programs maybe soon, then I will see which program or programs I will use, But as I said, they won't have most or many of my filters.Not being familiar with jackpot lottery programs, it will take a while to test some of them.I will post numbers when I am ready.Good luck.

Reply #26

RJOh — Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:06:13 GMT

LANTERN,Three adjacent numbers has happened twice this year on 01/21/05 - 17 27 39 40 41 +21 and 08/23/05 - 06 07 08 13 40 +12, so it does happen.The propose of using gaps, sums, ranges and etc. is to have the most common features of previous winners in your group of combinations, so when the uncommon happens you don't have a chance of winning big.The 500 lines I listed used all 56 WB and 46 MB so they didn't prove much except that you need to be lucky to beat the odds even when you profile you... [ More ]

Reply #25

LANTERN — Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:57:25 GMT

RJOHWinning numbers 09/27/05 - 14 17 26 27 28 +053 consecutive numbers 26 27 28 , not a very common thing.2 2X and 3 3X decades, only 2 decades for the whole main numbers, again not a very common thing.The right digits mostly high, a little uncommon.Low decades all across, a little uncommon also.I have not looked at the last 2 or so past draws so I can't say anything about that.Low decades means a little low sums, but rigth digits are mostly high, so about normal on the overall total sum.Even a... [ More ]

Reply #24

RJOh — Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:04:21 GMT

Winning numbers 09/27/05 - 14 17 26 27 28 +05MM092705: 01 18 25 41 53 +46 07 09 25 43 54 +06 18 25 40 43 53 +07 01 09 25 45 46 +31 14 20 25 48 55 +17 no winners 08 20 25 38 55 +34 01 09 14 25 52 +24 13 14 18 25 41 +26 01 25 38 51 54 +18 13 25 41 45 55 +43============================= 01 05 35 38 48 +46 07 13 43 45 52 +17 20 25 40 51 54 +31 08 14 18 41 42 +22 09 36 46 50 53

Reply #23

RJOh — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:45:10 GMT

LANTERN,As I've mentioned in other posts my RNG is designed to list up to 500 combinations within selected parameters. Since 500 is more than I would ever play by myself and the most any pool that I'm in is likely to play and I know from the getgo the conditions that would eliminate a combination I don't add it to the list to be eliminated later. Compiling a play list is easier and faster doing it this way rather than compiling thousands of combinations and eliminating all but a few to play la... [ More ]

Reply #22

LANTERN — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:33:05 GMT

It might be best to leave jackpot games alone, the ones that pay a lot like MM might be impossible to win by a system and the ones that might be easier maybe (maybe not) like cash 5 pay too little and are not worth it.That might leave only the pick 3 and 4 they might or not be worth playing.If you want more money then go for the pick 4, if the cash 5 would pay more then it might be O.K. to bother with it.For jackpot games it might just be best to buy 1 quick pick per draw and no more, those game... [ More ]

Reply #21

LANTERN — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:33:49 GMT

RJOHSo your program can really handle all of that ? It is a lot better than I though that it was.Now, if you could pick 15 numbers per position for the 5 main number positions and 30 numbers for the megaball then they would come to:22, 781, 250. If 15 x 5 x 20 then:15, 187, 500. If 10 x 5 x 25 then: 2, 500, 000 = 10 numbers per the first 5 positions + 25 #s per the MB.Maybe that last one would be best and then you can filter those out.Now let us go... [ More ]

Reply #20

RJOh — Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:17:34 GMT

These are lines picked by my RNG for the 09/27/05 drawing. The first 10 were produced using all the parameters in my previous post. Since 25 was the only numbers in the 15-25 range, it was in every combinations.MM092705: 01 18 25 41 53 +46 07 09 25 43 54 +06 18 25 40 43 53 +07 01 09 25 45 46 +31 14 20 25 48 55 +17 08 20 25 38 55 +34 01 09 14 25 52 +24 13 14 18 25 41 +26 01 25 38 51 54 +18 13 25 41 45 55 +4... [ More ]

Reply #19

LANTERN — Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:39:50 GMT

RJOHI don't know programming, but it seems to be that what you wanted to do is very complicated, maybe you would had to rewrite or remake your program for it to do those things right (?).There are way too many possible combos on Pick 6 games and maybe even more on pick 5 + bb or mb games.So many combos might take way too much hard drive-space, the middle sums are where most of the combos are and fall of course like on the pick 3 game so the sum range filter might help little to reduce the combos... [ More ]

Reply #18

RJOh — Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:32:40 GMT

LANTERN writes:As to gap ranges and range of combinations I have not studied any MMs gaps, so I don't know which gaps and ranges you mean, I see gaps and ranges in many ways.The last MM numbers = 09/23/05 - 06 07 20 41 51 +38 my definitions of these terms are: gaps are 1 - 13 - 21 - 10 range is 06-51 = 46 sum = 6+7+20+41+51 = 125My program use these same definitions for all the lotteries I track.

Reply #17

RJOh — Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:25 GMT

I put those numbers and parameters into my RNG with instructions each number to be used a maximum of 10 times to limit its output and it printed 10 lines each with the number 25 and got stuck in a loop. The RNG can print out 500 lines if the parameters don't limit it to less.

Reply #16

LANTERN — Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:49:11 GMT

The very process of randomization makes random half predictable and half unpredictable, it is inherent in the process itself.A conundrum perhaps ? No, it is not, people just don't understand the nature of random , random it is always neither pro nor against, just a neutral process.For those who understand, this should break the long held myth of Random being unpredictable, on the lottery at least, it is half half this will be one of my few contributions to the public lottery knowledge, anot... [ More ]

Reply #15

LANTERN — Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:05:15 GMT

RJOHI guess that by data programs you mean MS Excell and MS Access and other programs like them. Right ? And Yes, you are right about them, But I think that also some kind of Visual Basic or something like it might also be needed (?).As to gap ranges and range of combinations I have not studied any MMs gaps, so I don't know which gaps and ranges you mean, I see gaps and ranges in many ways.But from what I see, you are very good in your observations, maybe with a few more filters you can reduce t... [ More ]

Reply #14

RJOh — Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:52:34 GMT

I may put those parameters in my earlier post in my RNG and set it on continue and see what it comes up with. It was designed to pick up to 500 lines.RJOh

Reply #13

RJOh — Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:44:22 GMT

LANTEN writes:Maybe I should study computer programming, RJOH says that he uses GWBasic and that he then compiles it with QuickBasic or some other program and that GWBasic does the filter jobs just fine, maybe I should try that myself ?Also, I need to start checking other Jackpot programs.Maybe I will start to study programming with good old Commodore 64 Basic (Basic v2) and work up from there to GWBasic and maybe even other programming languages ?And see if I can understand and work with them... [ More ]

Reply #12

RJOh — Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:17:50 GMT

Since MegaMillions has changed its matrix, these have been the most popular numbers:01 05 07 08 09 13 14 18 20 25 35 36 38 40 41 42 43 45 46 48 50 51 52 53 54 55(this group had 5of5 five times and 4of5 eleven times of 27 drawings)In the last 20 drawings 10 of the drawings had: a number from the previous 2 drawings a number from the previous 4-6 drawings a number from the previous 7-9 drawings a number from the previous 9-14 drawings a number from the previous 15-25 drawingsSums ranges = 75-215 w... [ More ]

Reply #11

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:02:03 GMT

I had only LS2004 running, I stopped all other programs.Well now I know for sure that with this computer I can't use LS2004, it makes a few combinations and it stops making them, from 10 to 35 combos only depending on filter's settings and game.Also I can't understand very many of it's filters anyway. The program has no documentation.The generation of combinations with it is incredibly slow after making from 10 to 30 first and fast combinations.It is O.K. if I am interested in making only 10 to... [ More ]

Reply #10

LANTERN — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:23:29 GMT

I will not be putting any real lottery filter ideas here for various reasons, one of then being lack of participation and interest from people, but maybe mostly because jackpot prices have to be shared among the winners.For the first time I have tried to use the program by Stoopendaal called LS2004 and it does not work with my computer, it might be (the program) a resource hog and or I had too many applications running at the same time, or a combinations of both.I will again try latter without a... [ More ]

Reply #9

LANTERN — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:08:51 GMT

Draw Date Combination DrawnFridaySep 16, 200505-16-41-46-50 B01TuesdaySep 13, 200513-24-44-48-52 B30FridaySep 9, 200515-28-43-51-52 B11TuesdaySep 6, 200501-08-27-31-50 B40FridaySep 2, 200501-04-14-45-53 B33TuesdayAug 30, 200519-32-42-49-56 B29FridayAug 26, 200505-20-38-47-54 B35TuesdayAug 23, 200506-07-08-13-40 B12FridayAug 19, 200502-13-18-36-46 B36TuesdayAug 16, 200509-15-20-24-55 B03FridayAug 12, 200508-37-38-45-54 B21TuesdayAug 9, 200513-35-36-43-52 B05FridayAug 5, 200503-05-48-50-53 B04Tues... [ More ]

Reply #8

LANTERN — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:21:49 GMT

It is possible that such a post might make me to try to prove that some uses of filters work O.K. by giving you 1 or more filter examples and of course much more detailed information about their use(s).Have you really studied lottery filters and also Have you ever tried to use them and For how long ?Maybe not for very long if at all ? Maybe you didn't understand them too well?It's O.K., some or many people have trouble with them, that of course does not mean that they are worthless, just that th... [ More ]

Reply #7

GuessWhat! — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:04:31 GMT

Forget about filters...that's just fantasy. If you believe (as I do) that the integrity of the game is PLAYED FAIR by all parameters being equal (all ball's size and weight the same) then your only stragety is in combinatorics. Hu? Say WHAT ??COM.BIN.A.TOR.ICS (Kom-bin-a-tor-iks) n,Combinatorics is a branch of mathematics that studies finite collections of objects that satisfy specified criteria, and is in particular concerned with counting the objects in those collections (enumerative co... [ More ]

Reply #6

LANTERN — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:21:50 GMT

A possible strong subfilter for the new filter Symmetry Patterns might be the straight or reversed series or parallel Twins or Mirror filter.They might be new filters as I have them in mind, but I don't know.Maybe I can think of more such new subfilters.

Reply #5

LANTERN — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:45:54 GMT

Hi!I just came with an idea for a possible Lottery (Lotto) Super filter, that I might call the Programmable Multipass (or Pass) Ramp-Sequence (or Sequential-Ramp) Symmetry Filter) or PMRSF (or PMSSF).I just came with the (general) outline for the filter and it is not well defined yet, it should or would be a basic almost general purpose combinations patterns I.D filter), so I guess that it can also be called a Combinations Patterns IDs filter or CPIF for short.All those names are too

Reply #4

Down — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:35:02 GMT

all you need is one

Reply #3

LANTERN — Sun, 18 Sep 2005 04:14:10 GMT

Playing every combination would get the number every time for sure.But what about winning about 20 % of the time ?How many combos would you have to buy ?Has anybody ever tried to find out just how many combos it would take them to win about 20 % of the time ?Would it take them 1/5 of the total possible combinations or more or fewer ?And what about filters ? Don't they work at all ? Don't they reduce the total ammount of combos some ?Has anybody who really knows how to use them tried to see just... [ More ]

Reply #2

DoctorEw220 — Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:11:01 GMT

I didn't vote because the only sure way to find out is by playing every number combination, and it would be very hard to make a profit after taxesby playing every combination.

Reply #1

LANTERN — Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:24:10 GMT

I see that people think that if it was possible to win with 100 000 combos or fewer that somebody would already be doing it and that it must be impossible.How many people have ever tried to get the winning number with 100 000 combos ?Not very many I guess.Advanced filtering logic rules and techniques together with advanced filters and advanced statistics integrated into a lottery program or suite of lottery programs should be able to do it.The main trick is the development of the advanced filter... [ More ]

How many combinations to win MM with ?

LANTERN — Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:23:15 GMT

Reasonable ammounts of combos might be from 100 000 to 500.How many of them Would it take YOU to win from 20 to 50 % of the time on a game such as the Mega Millions ?And what or which GENERAL technique(s) and or programs or workouts (online or not), including quick picks, would you use to win with ?And would you use at least 10 % of the profit (after all taxes and tickets are paid for) for good works ?And would you try to keep on winning in the same or some other way(s) again ? And how ofte... [ More ]