Math and Lotteries

Reply #44

Shane3 — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:38:55 GMT

I am verry serious.......but mums the word right now. There are some powerful people in the gambling world, big business.....and I am not in the positon right now to get into trouble. After this week....I am on my best behaviour.

Reply #43

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:11:10 GMT

Well said, guesser.

That makes for two of us. My system will produce the winning numbers also if it were not for the idiot making choices at the keyboard.

Reply #42

guesser — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:25:34 GMT

If anyone knows that no two draws are the same, it's me.

If a 4/1 split occurs, it's almost always followed by a 3/2.

If a longshot hits in two straight games, it's a pretty fair chance it won't happen in three straight.

My system is fine, it's the operator of said system that's an idiot.

Reply #41

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:43:24 GMT

Guesser

Patterns change with each draw. No two draws will have the same pattern.

Your system must be set up to reflect those changes. If your system does not allow for flexibility, then you might consider the fact that your system is too tight and needs loosening (did I spell that correctly?).

Of course this assumes you are using patterns and not up 1, down 2, same, down 2, up 1 .

Reply #40

RJOh — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:09:17 GMT

Sorry, I thought you were serious when you mentioned ghost pattern and ghosting residues.

Reply #39

Shane3 — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:13:33 GMT

I like that....great sense of humor.

Reply #38

RJOh — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:24:48 GMT

Shane3,

Speaking of just blowing smoke, what is ghost pattern and ghosting residues

Reply #37

Shane3 — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:31:45 GMT

Once you figure out how to mathematically leave a ghost pattern, it becomes easier to be invisible and dodge the combination pattern filters that sweep the system. When a player is able to find that pattern that even erases the ghosting residue then you have found the holy grail..........that will put you within 5 draws of $250,000......I say 5 draws because there is no way of mathematically predicting 1 given draw...anyone who says it is possible is just blowing smoke unless they want to lend y... [ More ]

Reply #36

GASMETERGUY — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:58:15 GMT

Yeah, you're right. When I wrote my post I considered briefly using Lantern/Excalibur . I think both are the same person. A very smart, insightful person I might add. His theories moved me miles down the road in developing my own theories.

He had a few thoughts I could not use but I am sure there are others who found those thoughts very useful.

Oh, well, back to my research .

Reply #35

RJOh — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:39:25 GMT

GASMETERGUY,

On August 1, 2006 EXCALIBUR posted https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/137968.htm I Could not log in as LANTERN, what I think that is my password for that name does not work, so I am posting as EXCALIBUR.

Since EXCALIBUR had been a member since October 2003, I assume the person known as LANTERN had been posting theories and opinions using both names. When a member speak with several names, it hard to know which name speaks the better truth.

Reply #34

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:55:59 GMT

And I have employed some of your patterns in my research. Lantern provided me with several ideas as have a few others on this site.

Everything I am using has come from this site. Well, almost everything.

This is a wonderful place to be and I just love surfing thru all the old threads as well as keeping up to date with the new ones. One of these days someone will post a topic that will pull all that I am doing together. When that day arrives, well, you know. You will never hear from

Reply #33

RJOh — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:34 GMT

Had I picked the correct pattern, $33 would have produce a $150,000 winner. I know; hada, shada, woulda, shoulda, ect.

I am still searching and, who knows?, I might find it.

Anybody got any good patterns for sale? Cheap? Like, free?

I've shared some observations in a couple of earlier posts, but last night I played 10 lines in MegaMillion using 27 numbers with 10 preselected mega balls and matched a 3+0 and a 1+1 to get my $10 back but that pattern could have just as easily produce... [ More ]

Reply #32

RJOh — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:29:44 GMT

I use 'some' backtesting, but not to try and predict the 100% future, but rather, to solidify my theories that you just CAN'T predict the future with 100% surety.

Most lottery games have odds of 1:1000 or worst, so if you could predict the future with even 1% surety you would come out ahead. How much would be practical to spend to get that amount of accuracy would depend on the amount of the prize.

Reply #31

Shane3 — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:20:55 GMT

Hopfully my Chaos55 pattern will send a win your way.......because it is absolutely lethal once I let her loose....but I just can't seem to figure a way to get her on my side.

Let's hope she takes a liking to you.

Reply #30

guesser — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:40:14 GMT

I use 'some' backtesting, but not to try and predict the 100% future, but rather, to solidify my theories that you just CAN'T predict the future with 100% surety.

What I mean is, you may think 'AHA - I've got it - I can't lose', and then you back-test and find that, yes, you can lose, and probably will. Because patterns that existed 12+ games ago change, they sway in different directions.

Yes one certain number may hit once every 10 games, and is 'due' - so you play it, but they also... [ More ]

Reply #29

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:04:02 GMT

Shane3, I totally agree with you about the mathematical patterns. And, yes, there is something there worth pursuing.

I use patterns. But rather than backtest, I look forward. I will institute the pattern I think will come up and then find the number set associated with that pattern. After the drawing, or rather after I discover I am still not a winner, (Tennessee Cash 5 only) I run the successful pattern just to see how many number sets were contained in the winning pattern. Last Monday

Reply #28

guesser — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:01:57 GMT

The less you play, the less you pay, the higher the odds, the longer it takes - IF it even happens - NOTHING is 100%.

I've been through this - I post numbers, and I jinx myself. Proven fact (or major coincidence

Reply #27

RJOh — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:52:49 GMT

If you're willing to post those 16 numbers before each drawings, maybe someone else would like to try them. Even if you can't afford to play them, you would have the statifaction of helping someone who can. Who knows, maybe if they win a jackpot they might be grateful enough to send you enough so you could win too.

Reply #26

Shane3 — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:57 GMT

Glad to see you are able to narrow it down to a more affordable rate....I have not reached that point yet.

Hey isn't great to see MM spreading the wealth......must be voluntary...

Reply #25

guesser — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:15:18 GMT

If I had $290 to play with twice a week, I'd ALMOST guarantee a PB Pick 5 within one month (9 drawings).

If I had $160, 3 months.

$80 - 6 months.

And this is using 16 numbers, not 40-65.

Shane: your very last sentence is absolutely correct.

Reply #24

Shane3 — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:19:28 GMT

As stated before...there is no math that can predict the jackpot drawing.....however having experimented with megamillions since April/May of this year I have concluded that there are several mathimatical patterns that a person can use over a period of drawings that will produce the 2nd prize. This involves spending 40 to 65 numbers a drawing.

I have been able to hit 5 of 5 on several different experimental schemes during my experiments with these patterns......unfortunately I have only gotte... [ More ]

Reply #23

guesser — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:28:34 GMT

2. I'm married to one, so what

Reply #22

Winner1313 — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:43:45 GMT

Thanks for the info guys.

Do you all know Ancient India had Atomic weapons about 4,000 years ago?

1. They traveled to other planets.

2. Had interaction with Aliens, even married them.

3. Had terrible wars, that destroyed all the advanced civilization on earth.

4. Had Radio.

5. Had Space ships.

6. Had Microwave weapons.

etc.

No wonder the C.I.A. is heavily involved in studying ancient India. Some of the top-secret planes and weapons we have was back enginered, from inf... [ More ]

Reply #21

Winner1313 — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:43:43 GMT

Reply #20

Kola — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:09:17 GMT

Your welcome GASMETERGUY.

Reply #19

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:16:01 GMT

Thanks, Kola. I went to the web site you mentioned and looked around. There is a lot of information there; too much to digest in one sitting. There are a lot of books for sale, also. I might buy a couple and poke around.

Reply #18

Kola — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:57:28 GMT

Hi Gasmeterguy,

You mentioned something new . Maybe a deep foray into Vedic Mathematics could be useful starting point. Vedic Math is said to transcend calculus, trigonometry, algebra, and etc...

Unfortunately the Vedic Mathematic books created by Bharati Krsna Tirthaji between 1911-1918, where he rediscovers and mathematically expounds on the 16 Word Formulae of a particular ancient sutras called the GANITA Sutra have been lost. He created 1 book for each sutra - totaling 16 of the... [ More ]

Reply #17

RJOh — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:41:25 GMT

GASMETERGUY,

I saw those same ideas expressed on a series of public TV programs about the string theory or a theory of everything .

Years ago I worked in an Industrial Engineering Department where I participated in time and work sample studies and was surprised after the randomness of work sample studies which covered the whole plant were compiled that they almost alway had the same results as individual time studies made in single areas of the plant as the same time. A person walking

Reply #16

guesser — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:22:15 GMT

But the concept of odd/even may take centuries to even out.

If you flip a coin, at what point will you have a 50/50 even split of heads and tails ?

When does it stop ? When you get to 50/50 ?

After all of that, in choosing numbers, at what point do you arrive at a coincidence vs. something that happens 'because it is mathamatically supposed to' ?

I do not think you will EVER be able to decide; 'OK, these 6 numbers will hit in the next game', but I DO think that yo... [ More ]

Reply #15

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:51:33 GMT

I read a lot about partical physics because the subject interests me. One fact which I found tantalizing is the fact that at the sub-atomic level, physicists can not predict with any degree of exactness what will happen and when. At best they can only deal in probabilities. But out of this quantum foam comes the world as we see it. Everything is ordered ( to an extent); everything can be mathematically described.

Not so with randomness which is the sub-atomic world.

If the randomness

Reply #14

time*treat — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:13:58 GMT

Well, in our modern era, the place to start is with a registered trademark name, a logo, and some VC or other backers. And don't forget the IPO. Then you work on the actual math.

Reply #13

Thoth — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:50:35 GMT

Thats is an interesting idea gasmeterguy. The two branches of mathematics that are most commonly tied to lotteries are probability and combinatorics. I feel that when one understands how both of these branches are interconnected he can truly see just how the flow of randomness really operates. Its funny how the big picture is already taken well in advance of the future: the percentages of what can, what will, and what does happen are all known prior to any long series of upcoming draws and al... [ More ]

Reply #12

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:56:48 GMT

I have been mulling this thread over and over ever since you published it, RJOH. I have arrived at a conclusion I am sure no one else will agree with or take a share in.

I do not feel that mathematics as we know it today will suffice to describe the lottory. There is just too much randomness. The best mathematics can do is tell us the probability of all possible outcomes.

The answer, therefore, resides in inventing a whole new branch of mathematics. Gone are the plus, minus, multiply... [ More ]

Reply #11

RJOh — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:05:35 GMT

I prefer to pick combinations within preset parameters. Usually after about 1,700 randoms picks and parameter rejects I have 20-50 lines with a good mix of numbers to play and it's faster and easier than trying to filter out 20-50 lines from all the possible combinations.

Reply #10

time*treat — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:38:18 GMT

I should have specified p3/p4 etc. Those games lend themselves more to what I'll call whim type ideas. Yep, the main obstacles in p5/p6 games seem to be good filters or big bankrolls.

Reply #9

RJOh — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:56:18 GMT

I don't think ideas supported with math/statistical data are harder to describe but they can be more easily scrutinized so they may require a little more thought by their posters.

Some posters enjoy posting ideas off the top of their heads and suggesting others try them to

see what happens which works fine for games like pick3 since the odds of getting a hit are

better than those of other lottery games and the ideas are usually within most players budget.

Many find these types of posts e... [ More ]

Reply #8

time*treat — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:07:39 GMT

Ideas based on math are 1) harder to describe, and 2) more closely scrutinized by others.

If you say I dreamed I was playing twister(r) with each foot on a green and 1 hand on red, and doubles fell people will just accept that. No one will demand to know what to play when you dream of monopoly(r) owning a hotel on baltic ave, and two railroads.

OTOH, if you say I have a formula that uses yesterday's number multiplied by pi, phi, or e, plus or minus one, (and divided by one of the oth... [ More ]

Reply #7

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:53:32 GMT

If by mathmatics one means that one can add, subtract, divide, or mulitply their way to winning consistently, then I agree that no one can MATHMATICALLY pick off 5 winning numbers. If there were an equation which would produce such a win, someone much smarter, much more handsome, and much more insane than I would have discovered it.

However, if we could reduce the lotto numbers as drawn to two or more patterns and then find a way to add those patterns.......no, that won't work.

What if we... [ More ]

Reply #6

guesser — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:03:13 GMT

I don't think one can MATHAMATICALLY pick all 5 wb's, I think the best anyone can ever do is get 3 of the 5 (at BEST) and be able to chalk it up to 'math' and probability theories.

I have a pool of what I consider 'decent' numbers based on several things, and I consistently get 3, seldom 4, usually in different games (I play 10 games per drawing night), only a few times have I had all 5 - in different games, of course. I have been tracking trends very closely since January, and there is... [ More ]

Reply #5

RJOh — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:47:58 GMT

Sorry again Thoth,

I don't play the pick3/4 games so I don't bother with them, I'm only interested in pick5 and jackpot games. There are plenty of other LP members who do play those games and have probably covered every theory and concept that anyone has ever come up with concerning those games. Those games have been played the same way for years so I doubt if anyone is likely to come up with anything that hadn't been mentioned before.

RJOh

Reply #4

truecritic — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:44:36 GMT

Thoth

I think RJ is mostly about Jackpot games. Don't know if he is interested in Pick 3/4 (my apologies if I am wrong, RJ).

I also think you can add mirrors to the pick 3/4 myths. (adding or subtracting 5 from a digit). Like the mirror of 3 would be 8 and it is recommended that you play both. I think any random number should come up just as often as a mirror.

Reply #3

Thoth — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:06:35 GMT

States and Dates is a concept that Pick 3/4 numbers will return at regular intervals based on the date(s) of its previous draws i.e. one, two or three years apart etc.

Followers are numbers that supposedly tend to follow one another. For example, I've read posts where someone says that 089 is often followed by 586 - so play it, etc.

I think any real study of either concept would show that there is no mathematical advantage to them.

Reply #2

RJOh — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:50:33 GMT

Sorry Thoth,

I can't get a handle on what you're talking about. Relating states and dates or followers mathematically just doesn't compute in my mind. I have used math to covert a Gregorian date to the day of the week for my lottery program, but that was to check if the date and day of the drawings agreed when viewing my lottery files.

Explaining those words in mathematical terms might make it clearer to me. It's been my experience that a theory or concept not worth explaining is... [ More ]

Reply #1

Thoth — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:42:42 GMT

Heres somethin for you to write about RJOh.......how about the mathematics of states and dates or followers .....I would write about it myself but im feelin a little lazy (lol). Seems to me that theres a huge following here on the subjects but I see no one showing any real mathematcal advantage to either of the concepts.

Math and Lotteries

RJOh — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:00:02 GMT

Seems like math has few applications for lotteries other than figuring odds or the number of possible combinations. I keep coming back and hoping to read some posts about how math might help one discover such things as the most economical pool size for a lottery depending on its odds, calculations for finding the most repeatable patterns in past drawings and etc. Instead I find only a few thread are still active due to a lack of interest. I've got a feeling in a couple of more months there ma... [ More ]