As technology and software progress....

Reply #56

psykomo — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:50:46 GMT

BUT, if someone could write good soft

to go with ALL this horsepowr

'it may produce win'

LOL QP's are easy $$$$$$$

PSYKOMO

Reply #55

RJOh — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:16:40 GMT

It's no mystery how to win a lottery every time, you simply play every possible combination. The trick is reducing those combinations down to an affordable list and still have the winning combination on it.

I've been working on rules to reduce that list without eliminating the winner and it's still not affordable. Here are some of those rules, they're not 100% but they're are 95%+ most of the time.

1. Eliminate combinations that have already hit

2. Eliminate combinations that have mat... [ More ]

Reply #54

Stack47 — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:25:12 GMT

But as time goes on and computers and software get more advanced,do you think it's just a matter of time before someone develops a way to win all the time,

The Numbers Game has been around for many many years so unless an advanced computer or software could find something that's been overlooked by millions and millions of players, the answer is no. For 5/39 Pick-5 games we already have software that will consistently give us 3 or 4 numbers out of 16 but to get them in the right combinations... [ More ]

Reply #53

Surge — Thu, 31 May 2007 22:47:41 GMT

LOL, sorry about that, I was agreeing with Stack47.

Reply #52

MillionsWanted — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:25:10 GMT

So you agree with yourself, do you...?

Or did you forget to log in using another account

Reply #51

Surge — Thu, 31 May 2007 19:27:01 GMT

Reply #50

Surge — Thu, 31 May 2007 19:15:43 GMT

Yes, there are patterns. It is possible to increase your chance of winning something, if not the jackpot. However, the subject of this thread is will someone develop a system that will make lotteries obsolete?

Can it be done every time, or often... I don't think so.

Reply #49

Stack47 — Thu, 31 May 2007 17:43:20 GMT

The overall odds of winning any prize in a 5/39 Pick-5 that pays $1 for matching 2 numbers is 1 in 9 so anybody with a large bank account could match Gail Howard's method playing QPs.

Reply #48

Newb — Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33:38 GMT

Sorry, but over period of time you can spot patterns in what appears to be chaos. Also certain combinations of numbers are never drawn in some lotteries. Once you are armed with little facts like these it is possible to increase your chance of winning something if not the jackpot.

Reply #47

Luminus — Thu, 31 May 2007 17:04:06 GMT

We'll see about that. I've won a prize in every single game played since November of last year, using Gail Howard's system. If there's a way to efficiently defeat the lottery, I will find it.

Reply #46

MillionsWanted — Wed, 30 May 2007 20:40:54 GMT

I believe a lottery using a computer program to pick the numbers would be easier to crack than those using lottery machines, since a computer is rarely able to be totally random.

I think a a good statistical software program would have an easier job finding trends in those kind of lotteries.

A lot of 'think' and 'believe', I know. Sorry about that.

Reply #45

RJOh — Wed, 30 May 2007 17:55:54 GMT

Sounds like a challenge, is anyone up for it?

While responding to JKING's thread https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/156578.htm I discovered something I think may be unique about pick5 games and Ohio RC5 in particular. Since RC5 jackpot is at $318K, I'm going to try it tonight on RC5. I may also post some of those picks on the prediction board too. I hesitate to say too much because I don't want to appear foolish. It's less embarrassing to simple say something is impossible than to be... [ More ]

Reply #44

Surge — Wed, 30 May 2007 17:31:34 GMT

IMHO, there is no code, never will be, and the lotteries will never be beaten by a program someone has written. The games are meant to be random, and you can't beat random.

Reply #43

psykomo — Wed, 30 May 2007 07:14:14 GMT

VOTED................NOPE.................. it will never HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but,.....................DO.....................any of u remember about a GROUP

PSYKOMO said, was .....................putting old computer's together in

a GROUP of thousand'sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss???

The building is NOW......................FULLY>>>>AIR>>>>CONDITONED!

LOL

PSYKOMO

Reply #42

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 30 May 2007 00:50:48 GMT

The order in which the balls are put in the machine isn't any more complicated to deal with than any of the other variables. The difficulty in calculating the results comes from not having the data ahead of time far more than from the difficulty in processing the data. Knowing what order the balls are to be loaded in is meaningless when you don't know the speed of the machine, how long the balls will mix, the density of the air and the air pressure, how the machine is tilted, and on and on and o... [ More ]

Reply #41

moeman — Tue, 29 May 2007 00:25:38 GMT

they would change the machine.in NY in mid eighties the 3 digit machine was somewhat predictable.i used to find a pattern to get 2 numbers to wheel.did not make me rich but it was bucks in my pocket.i had heard and then read in the paper that some wall street guys were playing 30-50 straight numbers a night and were hitting.NY changed the machine and i did not know it and lost my little bankroll.when NY went to 2 a day drawings things changed.same machine but some patterns went.the consecutive n... [ More ]

Reply #40

KY Floyd — Mon, 28 May 2007 06:52:11 GMT

The first ball into the machine will be the first ball into the machine no matter what number is printed on it. If you had enough data you would calculate whether it was the first, 2nd, 3rd, etc ball that would pop up first, and so on. You would then use that information and the loading order to determine the numbers that would be drawn.The machine picks balls, not numbers. The numbers are merely a simple way to identify the balls.

The order in which the balls are put in the machine isn't a... [ More ]

Reply #39

KY Floyd — Mon, 28 May 2007 06:41:50 GMT

The population of both North and South America was first affected by immigration when the first immigrants walked here by way of theBering land bridge. Immigration dropped off quite a bit for the next 20 or 25 thousand years, but it's been consistently high since Europeans started sailing west about 500 years ago. Where the immigrants come from has changed over time, but as a general rule the people who got here earlier have always been a bit annoyed when more people arrive after them.

Reply #38

emilyg — Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:58 GMT

painting at lottomillions.com

Reply #37

BobP — Mon, 28 May 2007 05:49:55 GMT

I wasn't ignoring immigration, there's only so much you can say in a couple of lines without going off topic. What keeps this place sane as it is, is Todd insisting we are here to discuss lotto because it's too easy to go off the track into everything else that bothers us.

I'd love to talk about stuff like our government totally betraying us from Katrina to allowing chickens to be shipped to China for processing and then shipped back to the U.S. to be sold. Is that nuts or what? Between l... [ More ]

Reply #36

pacattack05 — Mon, 28 May 2007 03:03:41 GMT

Forget Bob...lets just get jiggy wit it....

Reply #35

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 28 May 2007 01:04:17 GMT

Here in Tennessee the P5 game machine is loaded by hand. There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to the position of the balls while being loaded. This in and of itself is more than enough randomness to preclude any computer program from determining the outcome of the next draw.

I have not seen how other states load their machines but if they set their machines up by loading the balls randomly then there will be no way to determine the future outcome. I don't care what kind of compute... [ More ]

Reply #34

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 28 May 2007 01:04:05 GMT

Reply #33

lacie — Sun, 27 May 2007 20:23:36 GMT

The BS was my way of conveying what my story was and not Bob Brown's

Reply #32

lacie — Sun, 27 May 2007 20:21:13 GMT

I think the story is true and I just wanted to have a little fun with it.

Reply #31

pacattack05 — Sun, 27 May 2007 20:05:42 GMT

Which part is BS? The actual story, or the trouble you went through just to get that final message?...LOL

Reply #30

lacie — Sun, 27 May 2007 19:46:15 GMT

When ya'all brought up that fella Bob Brown, I had never heard of him, his paintings or this secret code hidden in his paintings.

I started to do a little research on this and eventually found copies of his paintings on a very, very secret website that at this time I cannot pass on to any of you because I could be arrested for even going into this area, and I'm sure you don't what to go there and take the chance of also going to the Graybar Hotel. So will let this be for the moment.

I fou... [ More ]

Reply #29

pacattack05 — Sun, 27 May 2007 16:37:39 GMT

Wow that's a lot of Indians. I think they see this and want to grow up to be rock stars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmqZRPgK1w mode=related search

Reply #28

justxploring — Sun, 27 May 2007 15:20:11 GMT

It all comes down to population. In 1,000 to 2,000 years it will be standing room only if we don't control the sitituation, then the lottery prize will be 100 empty square feet of space and a pizza with soylent green sauage. BobP

I was responding to the above comment by Bob on population growth and soylent green. I am always hearing about how we need to control the population. I was reading a census once that indicated that in 2001 more people were born in India in one month than in t... [ More ]

Reply #27

pacattack05 — Sun, 27 May 2007 14:58:09 GMT

What are you talking about? Eggplant factories never sold pepper steak candy in Indonesia before 1744.

Please get your facts straight.

Reply #26

justxploring — Sun, 27 May 2007 14:35:13 GMT

Bob, most of the world population growth was never in the United States. However, our country has been affected much more by immigration over the past 2 decades than anywhere else. Then the immigrants have lots of children and they automatically become American citizens. In the last 15 to 20 years immigrants and their children account for more than half of the U.S. population growth. Recent studies show that the past couple of censuses were way off.

BTW, this isn't a political or personal... [ More ]

Reply #25

MillionsWanted — Sun, 27 May 2007 14:05:07 GMT

Soylent green sausage on pizza? That's my favorite too. Nothing else taste like soylent green.

Reply #24

BobP — Sat, 26 May 2007 18:11:18 GMT

Well that wasn't your original question, was it? The Romans had forms of lottery, raffels with door prizes, etc. and must have felt at times civilization was coming to an end.

Up until about 150 years ago oil was considered a nusance when found on the property. We could live without 90% of oil if we had to because we did before. Back to one horse power per person. It all comes down to population. In 1,000 to 2,000 years it will be standing room only if we don't control the sitituation,... [ More ]

Reply #23

RJOh — Sat, 26 May 2007 17:18:10 GMT

True, anyone can get a list of all the possible outcomes of any lottery and by playing them all guarantee themselves a win but it's the payout amounts that make that unpractical.

Since winners can be anywhere on that list, the question is where on that list will the next winner most likely be? For a pick3 game, if you're playing for a straight hit, the list is 1000 numbers and if you're playing for a box hit the list is 230 numbers so it tempting to think someone should be able to score a... [ More ]

Reply #22

lottolaughs — Sat, 26 May 2007 17:06:50 GMT

With respect to everyone's opinions,perhaps we're all not thinking as far ahead as I suppose I am. And maybe this is kind of even OFF the subject but will there even need to be a lottery 1,000-2,000 years from now (assuming the world is still here as we know it)?? Maybe I should start another poll,haha. I don't know about you folks,but I always imagine the state of the world getting worse through the years,not better. I would think a lottery would be the last thing on anyone's mind if there we... [ More ]

Reply #21

Badger — Sat, 26 May 2007 16:36:03 GMT

No way. First, if someone did manage to develop a method of winning all the time as you say, they would obviously not be an ignorant person. Therefore, they would never sell the method. Because that would be like selling the Golden Goose. Won't happen.

And if computers become more advanced, then the lotteries will have more advanced computers. Don't forget, they have all the money. They will certainly upgrade. They will even be able to pay for new algorithms to be developed that will be eve... [ More ]

Reply #20

hypersoniq — Sat, 26 May 2007 16:25:04 GMT

Here is the simplest problem you would find in grade school

enter the missing number

100, 125, 150, ??? , 200, 225

Obviously the answer is 175 and the rule is +25... but the method you used to determine that is beyond just about any software or formal definition (try and google it if you don't believe me). expensive neural net software would eventually recognize this pattern...

now, add a layer of abstraction

1,3,6,8,11,13,16,??,21,23,26

answer is 18, rule is +2,+3

you just... [ More ]

Reply #19

hcrude14 — Sat, 26 May 2007 15:42:59 GMT

Hi

I agree with Bob and Paurths,And want to add this, there some real good lottery (program systems) out there if one takes the time to learn how to run them and I think it would take a long long time to get at least half good at arriving at an occasional winning combo straight or boxed I'm talking P3.My small brain tells me that it will take Ions for some one to build a system or program that wins consistantly and would be profitable BECAUSE we are playing a game that is RANDOM and this gam... [ More ]

Reply #18

paurths — Sat, 26 May 2007 13:54:57 GMT

Hi BobP,

i follow you with what you write.

I don't know if it's accurate enough, but here is something i read not to long ago, and from my point of view this comes very close to what it really comes down to:

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No one really needs any lottery software,

anyone can make their own wheels, use filters, calculate statistics, find out what states had 3 doubles in a row (talking pick3 here), what states had no double in for example 15 draws, find the hitting hi... [ More ]

Reply #17

lottolaughs — Sat, 26 May 2007 13:50:56 GMT

I'm enjoying all the responses and different points being brought up here,thanks! But it just dawned on me that we will never really know the answer to this,how could we? How do we know what the future will be like? We've all seen those space and futuristic movies portraying what it will be like eons from now. There may be no need for a lottery in the year 5005,ya know? Something else may take it's place entirely,you think

Reply #16

pacattack05 — Sat, 26 May 2007 12:44:53 GMT

Yup..that's the guy. Thanx Dead aim.

I can't even finish solving a crossword puzzle, forget about some genius's thought processes....lOL

It's strange that the person who found this article is named..dead_aim. Maybe you should try figuring it out...

Reply #15

lottolaughs — Sat, 26 May 2007 12:22:55 GMT

That's it,Dead Aim! Thanks! Pac,take note.

Reply #14

Dead_Aim — Sat, 26 May 2007 08:43:08 GMT

Bob Brown?

http://www.lottomillions.com/print.htm

Reply #13

KY Floyd — Sat, 26 May 2007 05:08:19 GMT

If all of the variables could be accounted for, computing the likely outcomes is probably well within the reach of current technology. What makes the process random is the combined influence of thousands of variables, and it will never be possible to know the values of all the variables ahead of time.

Reply #12

BobP — Sat, 26 May 2007 04:33:44 GMT

Think about it. Anyone who writes lottery software is going to try it before selling it. If there was any chance of winning millions without spending millions, the software would be held back from the market. If you invented a lottery software and won one or more jackpots with it, would you need to go through the whole process of running a business to sell copies to people you don't know?

A. Person writes lottery software to make money selling product, has little or no interest in playing... [ More ]

Reply #11

RJOh — Sat, 26 May 2007 00:11:49 GMT

as time goes on and computers and software get more advanced,do you think it's just a matter of time before someone develops a way to win all the time,sells it on the market, and eventually put the lotteries out of business?

Such computer programs are already on the market, at least they're advertised as such on the Internet. People are buying them and expecting to turn a $200 investment into millions of dollars and later complaining SURPRISE! they don't work.

Reply #10

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:18:04 GMT

No, because it will be our computers against their computers in a never ending battle of intelligence, strategy and skill.

That's kind of along the lines of what I think too. They will always be one step ahead....like they are now

Reply #9

JADELottery — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:14:56 GMT

No, because it will be our computers against their computers in a never ending battle of intelligence, strategy and skill.

Let the battle continue...

Reply #8

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:55:22 GMT

Pac,I've been searching the net but can't seem to find it anymore. I tried punching in all different things,even about the painting but for the life of me nothing shows up. Maybe someone else can recall him

Reply #7

pacattack05 — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:36:53 GMT

Can you tell me the name of the guy so I can look it up? Thanx

Reply #6

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:07:11 GMT

I know this for a fact since I'm sure that FL has changed their programming every time I am on to something hot .

Make that..... change their programming EVERY DAY. haha,right stavros??

That state has me stumped for sure

Reply #5

stavros — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:00:14 GMT

Lotteries are here to stay. They are a great source of revenue for the states, and they are not going to give that up. If there is a code to be found, the lottery will just change the way the draws are done, and continue on. I know this for a fact since I'm sure that FL has changed their programming every time I am on to something hot .

Reply #4

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:58:57 GMT

I bought the ebook that his son put out but it was a bunch of garbage, really lame. They did show a photo of the picture like you mentioned. He is deceased now,you're right. But good luck trying to figure that picture out,wow! Couldn't make heads or tails of it.

Reply #3

pacattack05 — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:55:32 GMT

I was trying to find this guy's story on the net, but I coudn't.

Anyway, I read a few years ago that a man in Austrailia won the Jackpot 3 times. He apparently spent years in his basement trying to break the code. His family was outraged because he stopped working and spent all day and night down there.

Well, his efforts paid off, and now his son is auctioning a painting made by his father that has all kinds of colors, letters and numbers in it. I think the guy is not alive now, but I'm no... [ More ]

Reply #2

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:55:05 GMT

If all drawings become computerized, then I might say it's possible, but highly unlikely.

Good point! I didn't think of that! You must have been editing when I wrote that,haha.

Reply #1

justxploring — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:53:38 GMT

The answers will depend on whether or not the person commenting believes that the Lottery is truly random.

If the Lottery is indeed fair random, one cannot possibly develop a system that chooses 6 separate events that have not happened. Balls are being blown around and drawn out of a tube. Every second plus or minus has an effect on the final result. If all drawings become computerized, then I might say it's possible, but highly unlikely.

As technology and software progress....

lottolaughs — Fri, 25 May 2007 19:39:55 GMT

Obviously no one has cracked the code yet because lotteries are still around and have been around for years and years. Look how far computers and software have come just within these last 10 years or so. But as time goes on and computers and software get more advanced,do you think it's just a matter of time before someone develops a way to win all the time,sells it on the market, and eventually put the lotteries out of business? Or would some higher power never let it get that far