chaos theory and lottery..are they the same?

Reply #12

time*treat — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:07:07 GMT

All it would take is for a player to start winning lotteries in such away that defies the odds for some smart people to become interested inwhat he's doing.

And plenty of not-so-smart and not-so-nice people, too.

Reply #11

Raven62 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:34:49 GMT

What exactly does the word random mean?

Dictionary definitions emphasize the notion of apparent absence of cause, planning, or design, lack of method or system, or accidental, haphazard.

The mathematical conceptions of randomness involve deviations from distributions which are infinite in size. No empirical process can be tested against this idealized notion of randomness because we can't collect an infinite number of data points. We can't even judge something as being non-random fro... [ More ]

Reply #10

RJOh — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:19:41 GMT

Consider the possibility that lottery numbers are not random. They must be very close to random, or smart people would discover the pattern.

I believe smart people thinking random lottery numbers have no pattern would not spend any time trying to find a pattern which leaves any such research to the not so smart people. All it would take is for a player to start winning lotteries in such a way that defies the odds for some smart people to become interested in what he's doing.

Reply #9

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:08:32 GMT

Being educated in fields other than pure mathematics I think there are aspects of Choas Theory that can be applied to the lottory. What those aspects are and how they might be employed against the lottory is still undecided.

I agree most heartedly with DiamondPalace when he states that the lottory is flexible while our systems (or rather the ones we seem to be talking about the most) are not. Choas Theory is not flexible. Initial conditions determine the results and one little iota of change... [ More ]

Reply #8

Hans — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:52:44 GMT

The best struture is..when you filter all numbers to half and still got more numbers than expection,although I dont believe there existed such a definite way to pick it up so far.

i have been testing this out ,reducing 40 numbers into 18 and still get least 4.and try to reach this at a steady methdy/

Hans

Reply #7

Raven62 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:58:28 GMT

Any series of random numbers has a pattern to it. Intensive analysis will discover this pattern, but the discovery will be of no use for future predictions.

Consider the possibility that lottery numbers are not random. They must be very close to random, or smart people would discover the pattern.

Reply #6

Hans — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:37:30 GMT

actually they are not the same thing at all.

Chaos theory only applies to the environment which is not closed,open to all future non detected possibilities.and lottery is in a closed environment where each ball has equal chance to come out over a long period of time.

chaos theory says that when the position is fixed,the trace can not be accurately predicted.But this also does apply to the lottery machine as every moment one position can have many balls coming through,so the position in a c... [ More ]

Reply #5

diamondpalace — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:40:45 GMT

In order to catch up with random sparks, often random vs random, while anyone's method used to minimize the space in which the allowed random is used to catch the winning random numbers. Lottery evolves through time, so a particular system will go cold while others get hot, vice versa, similar to chaos theory with its evolution. Since both are random, for lotto if its used with machine balls instead of RNG, then that tells us its extremely flexible while our methods in picking numbers are stiff.... [ More ]

Reply #4

time*treat — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:34:09 GMT

By evidence of reaction, we can say There may be something to it .

Over time, the lotteries have been more and more inclined to use multiple ball sets and machines, mixing them up, rather than using one and keeping others just to use as spares. Some games have stopped using mechanical systems altogether.

The other thing is that for lotto games, the matricies grow far more often than they shrink. Even a good system is harder to develop and costs more to play, under that scenario.

Reply #3

edge — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:41:19 GMT

I wish lottery systems could be modeled by chaos theory! than all we have to do is identify initial conditions and create computer simulation and start approximating identifiable singularities or tendencies to form singularities (by let say catastrophe theory), big question would be to reverse engineer initial condition of course:) now let say if you even succeeded in doing so, a slight change in the initial condition such a variation of 1/10000 degree F in temperature would immediately invalida... [ More ]

Reply #2

RJOh — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:22:31 GMT

Are you suggesting that lotteries which appear to lack order, purpose and predictability are like certain dynamical systems whose states evolve with time and their behavior can be described mathematically using the chaos theory

Reply #1

BobP — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:25:55 GMT

In my opinion, I see parallels between chaos theory and lottery. There are those who opine the placement of the ball numbers in the tube(s) above the hopper are to some degree deterministic as to the final outcome. Limited orbits determined by the hopper, etc.

As to, Does the Flap of a Butterfly s Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?

I do not believe so. Though I do believe in the Butterfly effect as demonstrated in the movie Sound of Thunder where the theory is, For the lack

chaos theory and lottery..are they the same?

Hans — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:29:45 GMT

Chaos theory

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A plot of the Lorenz attractor for values r = 28, = 10, b = 8/3

In mathematics, chaos theory describes the behavior of certain dynamical systems that is, systems whose states evolve with time that may exhibit dynamics that are highly sensitive to initial conditions (popularly referred to as the butterfly effect). As a result of this sensitivity, which manifests itself as an exponential growth of perturbations in the initial conditions... [ More ]