When is something considered 'Hot'?

Reply #56

LANTERN — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:06:47 GMT

LotSoft is very good software.

But for example, it would be nice if it had a way of entering past draws in a way such as Lotto Sorcerer has it is very nice and automatic, almost, you still have to enter the draw with the enter key.

Draws should be automaticaly entered after you enter the third digit for that draw and the date should have automatic advance as some lottery programs have, each state could have a profile of what days of the week it holds draws for each particular game so it wo... [ More ]

Reply #55

LANTERN — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:36:48 GMT

Whatever works for you, a filter is a filter anything that helps to predict or reduce is.

Reply #54

Jordans121 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:14:18 GMT

Personally, I do not know when a short sum root is hot or cold unless you see it in recent patterns. This problem with using a method like this is that you will lose much more than you will win. But, If you would like to know what filters I use to get an idea of what Might come out, I filter the day of the week, the draw (mid/eve), and the odd day or even day. I set it up this way in my spread sheet.

Reply #53

LANTERN — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:04:48 GMT

It was already said, but anything that happens more often that what the law of statistics says that it should can be taken as being hot, so let statistics define what is what, what might need a definition is how hot something is, in the same way, something that happens less often that it should is cold.

People don't have standard definitions of degrees of temperature in regard to lottery events.

What hot and cold are is not too hard to define.

Reply #52

sysp34 — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:22:38 GMT

well i dunno if this stats help to understand what hot...? below stats for ontario pick 3 last 720 draws

Overall Pos. skip count Percentile

648 hit skip max 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 0.100 0.250 0.375 0.500 0.625 0.750 0.875 1

0 238 2 16 52 37 28 17 17 5 7 5 1 0 0 1 2 2 3 4 6 16

1 193 9 25 50 28 20 21 14 17 4 4 3 4 1 1 2 3 4 5 7 25

2 219 10 14 45 31 33 22 19 6 8 7 7 0 1 1 2 3 3 5 7 14

3 222 4 14 53 42 19 17 19 11 6 4 3 3 1 1 2 2 3 5 6 14

4 239 1 14 53 35 26... [ More ]

Reply #51

jayemmar — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:58:17 GMT

Ricky:

Have you ever considered the use of neural networks in your quest to come up with an indicator for what is hot ? Neural networks are known to mimic the human brain.

jayemmar

Reply #50

sysp34 — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:27:49 GMT

well determine what hot little bit tough since there are only digit 0 to 9 in perimeter.

here are some simple stats for FL Cash 3

Percentile skip count

Overall Pos. hit skip skip count 0.100 0.250 0.375 0.500 0.625 0.750 0.875 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

0 208 3 30 1 1 2 3 3 4 7 16 43 38 30 26 10 7 11 5 3 3

1 220 2 31 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 18 57 31 26 21 19 5 5 5 5 3

2 218 4 23 0 1 2 2 3 5 7 14 42 46 16 23 12 11 8 5 9 1

3 198 1 43 1 1 2 3 4 5 8 17 43 35 20 17 20 10 9 10 5... [ More ]

Reply #49

Raven62 — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:04 GMT

It's a response from the subconscience: Consciencely one can't put their finger on any one thing that makes the car great, because it's a composite of many factors at the subconscience level.

Reply #48

paurths — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:44:15 GMT

btw, to have so many pick3 players visiting LP, there are very, very few responses to this queest lol

Reply #47

paurths — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:42:58 GMT

Hi Chaz,

exactly, that is exactly what i am trying to find out, a general concensus, usable for the majority of people.

cheers

Ricky

Reply #46

paurths — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:42 GMT

Hi jayemmar,

thanks for your response.

I have posted this question here on LP because i wanted to see what people would write about it.

Taking all the responses together and find some kind of common ground .

Surely everyone must have their own opinion on the subject.

As it is now, a person that is used to play the pick 3 game, and takes a look at the statistics of a given item, can tell in a split second oh, that item looks hot .

That is great, but i want to dig a little deeper... [ More ]

Reply #45

jayemmar — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:10:28 GMT

Hi Ricky:

The term hot is what we would call a fuzzy logic term. A fuzzy logic term requires a home made definition, since there's no unique way to define the term. We all know what equal means. Given any two numbers we can immediately discern whether they are equal or not. Suppose we invent a new term, almost equal . What does it mean when we say that A is almost equal to B? We'd have to come up with a home brewed definition of what almost equal means to answer the question. One such definit... [ More ]

Reply #44

four4me — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:40:01 GMT

When is something considered 'Hot'?

When it burns you

Reply #43

WIN D — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:17:39 GMT

Gee Ricky...... Is it actually the Standard you are trying to establish.

The standard for ....... a unit of intensity ? How hot ? How cold ? ....

Are you looking for .......a general consensus to form a standard of measurement ?

I think that's your focus ..... maybe.

Some starting point approaches to establishing units of intensity .....or standards could be found here:

http://writing.colostate.edu/guides/research/stats/com5a2.cfm

Reply #42

paurths — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:42:28 GMT

Thanks Raven62,

the math is not what i was looking for, i have use that in the Due Overdue part of my software.

What i am looking for is a definition of when we consider something to be hot, warm, cold, ...

For a person that lives in a city and almost never walks but always takes the subway or a cab, walking a distance of 10 miles may seem long.

For a person that lives in the country and almost never uses a car but always walks, walking a distance of 10 miles may not seem long.

No... [ More ]

Reply #41

CARBOB — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:32:01 GMT

Thanks Raven

Reply #40

Raven62 — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:34:04 GMT

Average Recurrance Interval (T)=Sum of the Skips Divided by the Number of Drawings

The probability (P) of an event with recurrence interval T is

P = 1/T

The probability PT that a given event will be equaled or exceeded at least once in the next r-draws is:

PT = 1 P^r

T=10+15+6+5+10/5=9.2

P=1/9.2=0.108695652173913043478260869565217

PT=1-0.108695652173913043478260869565217^1=0.891304347826086956521739130435

Reply #39

CARBOB — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:35:40 GMT

How would this be used in Ricky's example?

Hi,

i ask this question to gather some opinions on this matter.

Here's an example: There are 10 shortsums in a Pick3 game,

The average skip of each shortsum is 10 draws.

Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,

and the example take is GA eve

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 6 5 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 5 0 22 5

Shortsum 2 : 6 18 4 1 5

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 5 15

Shortsum 4 : 7 7 7 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 0 0 7 10 1... [ More ]

Reply #38

Raven62 — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:04:45 GMT

Recurrence Interval: An average time between past events.

Recurrence Interval (calculated from past events) is used to gauge the future probability of an event (Forecasting).

Forecasting: Refers to the future likelihood of a random event.

Reply #37

sunjune6 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:09:42 GMT

Ok, now I understand. I would pick 9 ,5 6. That is what it look like to me.

Reply #36

sunjune6 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:02:24 GMT

I would say the 9 is very hot. I have been watching the pick 3 for the past 90 days or more.

Reply #35

Broulir32 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:41:15 GMT

anything above Ur BODY TEMP.

Reply #34

WIN D — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:09:44 GMT

Hot ?

Perhaps the best way to approach this question is the same way top designers do...... (form follows function). I have always been very drawn to visual data representation models using color intensity.

Heatmaps software ? Used with various data subjects and visual que applications ...... financial, ....options traders etc.

Has anyone had experience with this software ?

The triggers .... tracking measurements used etc.

Reply #33

paurths — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:06:09 GMT

Hi Jack-C,

thanks for your response,

As to your last line there, To answer your question about what is hot, I think that anything that is hitting more than what would be average is hot

-- I agree, at least, partially.

If we take digits, box, that means any position, for each digit the average would be a hit every 3.333 draws.

To have reliable data, lets take the last 10 draws, which give us 30 possible hits (10 draws * 3 digits = 30)

So mathematically spoken, each digit should

Reply #32

Jack-C — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:32:16 GMT

See my blog.

Reply #31

ronniec — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:27:27 GMT

Thank you first for the hard work you do. i'm new here at LP would like what is the short sum for 0? That seem like its the next hot number.

Reply #30

Jack-C — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:04:50 GMT

9/29 Evening = 205 shortsum 7

Reply #29

CARBOB — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:10:12 GMT

These 2 threads should be required reading. Need to print these out for the record .

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/164451/912109?q=magic+6 rp=search

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/148025/743790?q=Jadelottery rp=search

Reply #28

CARBOB — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:06:17 GMT

Ricky, using 5 last draws, give me an example of what we will be looking at. Use S1,S2,S3,S4,S5 for your milestones. 8,12,9,7,10, as the skips, what is

AVG S1 S2 S3 S4 S5 SKIP 2 3 4 5

9.20 ? ? ? ? ? 8 12 9 7 10

Reply #27

WIN D — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:52:37 GMT

Milestone ..... is not such a bad choice.

Things that are right around 6 times there expected ....math average was a focus of mine .....and still is.

Many years ago .... I used a term call the Magic Six or the Magic 6 Zone ...... Nothing based in science ....just years of play formed that phrase to describe a time to Go on Alert when looking for skipping groups to reappear again. Most things.... can not make it past this point it seems. If they do ....they enter the twilight Zone of the... [ More ]

Reply #26

paurths — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:28:10 GMT

Hi Chaz,

lol

Okay, here go's...

Let's take the past 4 skips of any Item, this is just random,

Item4 of State X: 4 5 2 7

5 + 2 + 7 = 14 -- = ItemAverage

14 / 3 = 4.6

CurrentSkip = 5

Here's a variable to see if an item is warm , or hot , of of No Importance : The mathematical average skip of Item4 = 10 draws = AverageSkipOfItem

MileStone1 : 7

MileStone2: 5

(milestone is for sure a wrong word, but i can not think of any other right now...)

Here's the Logic:

IF... [ More ]

Reply #25

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:20:01 GMT

Every one of the LDR's Temperature Rating Patterns is worth 100 straight combinations.

It has the exact same filtering power as the regular LDR patterns, yet the patterns are not the same.

It is like having a second LDR filter for double the filtration power.

Reply #24

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:43:13 GMT

A complete remade of the Wheeler would be best, instead of just adding some stuff to it, as there are other good things that can be put into it and or changed.

-------------------------------

Adding Temperature Filters (Fernando's New Filters) to The LotSoft Wheeler?

Take a Look at this:

Just one new possible addition, now double the filtration power

It would need an input for the past draws or to use LotSoft for that.

The filters' works would be invisible, the user would not h... [ More ]

Reply #23

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:16:21 GMT

Let us say that you Temperature Rate the LDR filter and it of course gives you 10 Temperature Rates from 0 to 9.

First of all:

For each filter rated, you should always use the same rating system for that particular filter, and:

You should always use the same number of past draws for a particular filter.

Then the LDR filter gives you 10 Temperatures from 0 to 9.

What to do with them?

You can use them in the very same way as you would use the LDRs themselves.

Yes, it gives you... [ More ]

Reply #22

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:05:19 GMT

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 06 05 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 05 00 22 05

Shortsum 2 : 06 18 04 01 05

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 05 15

Shortsum 4 : 07 07 07 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 00 00 07 10 01

Shortsum 6 : 02 08 05 06 28

Shortsum 7 : 45 15 27 01 00

Shortsum 8 : 14 13 02 08 00

Shortsum 9 : 03 00 00 02 04 = 3 + 2 + 4 = 9 = Hottest

Reply #21

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:55:21 GMT

While doing hot and cold for each of the straight positions and maybe even the boxed positions, in order to get patterns such as:

HHH

CCC

HCC

Etc might be right.

It might be best to rate each straight position by itself using a 0 to 9 temperature rating system or best use both ways for more filtration.

Take into account that 9 x 9 x 9 = 729

and 8 x 8 x 8 = 512

You can get great filtration.

Reply #20

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:47:40 GMT

Another possible way:

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 06 05 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 05 00 22 05

Shortsum 2 : 06 18 04 01 05

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 05 15

Shortsum 4 : 07 07 07 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 00 00 07 10 01

Shortsum 6 : 02 08 05 06 28

Shortsum 7 : 45 15 27 01 00

Shortsum 8 : 14 13 02 08 00

Shortsum 9 : 03 00 00 02 04

=

LDR 5 Hot

5

1 + 9

2 + 7

7 + 8

But to do it in this way is wrong.

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Dates should be used, and whichever LDR has the most... [ More ]

Reply #19

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:36:51 GMT

Well, if you have to use skips and that particular skips chart that you showed then: First I will do some fixing

Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,

and the example take is GA eve

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 06 05 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 05 00 22 05

Shortsum 2 : 06 18 04 01 05

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 05 15

Shortsum 4 : 07 07 07 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 00 00 07 10 01

Shortsum 6 : 02 08 05 06 28

Shortsum 7 : 45 15 27 01 00

Shortsum 8 : 14 13 02 08 00... [ More ]

Reply #18

CARBOB — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:57:42 GMT

This is another way to look at the Shortsums skips. The numbers on row 2 represent skips 1-10, row 3 represents the number of hits the shortsum hit at each skip, row 4 represents the number of skips. Example using J11, Shortsum 3 at 7 skips, has hit 24 times @ 7 skips, it has been 138 draws since the last hit at 7 skips. Is it hot or cold

Reply #17

Jack-C — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:14:01 GMT

Looking at the total history of Georgia Evening:

Shortsum 0 has hit more times (not a lot more) than any other shortsum. It has hit 607 times. The average for shortsum 0 is 9.71 compared to what the average should be of 10. Currently shortsum 0 has skipped 11 draws.

BTW, shortsum 7 has skipped 45 draws!!

To answer your question about what is hot, I think that anything that is hitting more than what would be average is hot.

Reply #16

Raven62 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:49:48 GMT

Take the Sum Chart Bell Curve: Fold it in half:

Sum Pair # of Combos

00/27: 01

01/26: 01

02/25: 02

03/24: 03

04/23: 04

05/22: 05

06/21: 07

07/20: 08

08/19: 10

09/18: 12

10/17: 13

11/16: 14

12/15: 15

13/14: 15

Each Sum Pair has Similar Properties (Freq/Skip).

Reply #15

WIN D — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:41:56 GMT

Good Morning !

Me either Bob, I hope we can help.

It's always been good great .....every time hasn't it?

I've always wondered if we could ....reframe the question into something different it might help.

If we looked at the digits or numbers as something else......something like mechanical components of some kind. Parts of an engine perhaps....then,,, we could measure their failure rates ,,, reliability etc.

Perhaps then we could run the most modern and scientific softw... [ More ]

Reply #14

CARBOB — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:16:53 GMT

I have no idea where Ricky is going with this, but I'm anxious to find out.

Reply #13

WIN D — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:11:46 GMT

Hot .... When is something Hot ? Hmmmmm

Well..... I agree with almost all of what's written up there so far. I could put in my 2 cents too ......but it would still leave us in the same place we have all been stuck in for a while now, and that's still asking the question .... LOL What is Hot? LOL

Maybe the answer is already out there somewhere...... just in a different place perhaps than lottery. In a different industry or a different discipline ....just waiting to be applied to our need... [ More ]

Reply #12

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:00:28 GMT

Instead of using, Hot, Cold, Etc.

It would be best to use digits, such as 0, 1, 2, 3, ,4 ,5, 6 Etc.

The lower the digit, the Hotter, for example:

5 Levels:

0

1

2

3

4

0 = Hottest

4 = Coldest.

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Some filters would have just 0 and 1, others might have 09, 27 or more.

This is to make the Temperature Rating System more Universal and a most-have due to the nature of the filters and their patterns.

Reply #11

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:54:42 GMT

As I said, I make mistakes:

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A 5 patterns filter:

Either 5 levels of temperature or 3 Levels such as Red, White, Blue,

Red = 2 Patterns

White = 3 Patterns

Blue = 2 patterns.

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It should have been:

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A 5 patterns filter:

Either 5 levels of temperature or 3 Levels such as Red, White, Blue,

Red = 2 Patterns

White = 1 Pattern

Blue = 2 patterns.

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Maybe there are more mistakes somewhere.

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For a 5 Patterns

Reply #10

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:29:51 GMT

By the way, as I said, there is no need to use skips, you can do it sort of like this, as LotSoft already gives this info in this way:

Beware of any mistakes that I might make!

Georgia (GA) Cash 3 Midday Past Winning Numbers

Draw Date Results

Mon, Sep 28, 2009 1-7-6 14 4

Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7-6-4 17 7

Sat, Sep 26, 2009 4-8-0 12 2

Fri, Sep 25, 2009 1-2-2 05 5

Thu, Sep 24, 2009 3-5-3 11 1

Wed, Sep 23, 2009 5-3-3 11 1

Tue, Sep 22, 2009 3-6-3 12 2

Mon, Sep 21, 2009 0-1... [ More ]

Reply #9

LANTERN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:57:59 GMT

I better give it a try myself.

There can be more than one definition of what can be considered as being Hot and ot Cold.

Never mind wrong spelling of words, so long as you understand what I am trying to say.

By the way, name of filters matter not of course as you know, for example as you pointed out the 10 ShortSums can be taken as being just the same as the 10 straight digits on any given pick 3 or pick 4 position as each of the LDR patterns has an equal filtering value in combinations... [ More ]

Reply #8

Raven62 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:29:43 GMT

Shortsum (SLD) is a better indicator of Cold Sums than Hot, because of the Bell Curve and the Distribution of Combinations. More Hits occur in the Sum 09 thru 18 Range.

Pick 3 SLD to Sum Cross-Reference:

SLD0=Sum 00 10 20

SLD1=Sum 01 11 21

SLD2=Sum 02 12 22

SLD3=Sum 03 13 23

SLD4=Sum 04 14 24

SLD5=Sum 05 15 25

SLD6=Sum 06 16 26

SLD7=Sum 07 17 27

SLD8=Sum 08 18

SLD9=Sum 09 19

Each shortsum is made of of multiple Sums which have unique properties of the... [ More ]

Reply #7

paurths — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:16:32 GMT

Okay,

let's go more into detail, because it seems it is not very clear...

When one looks at the shortsums i posted, one can see in a split second what shortsum is hot .

The thing is, why is it hot?

Break it down into a logical process.

Ah, it is hot because the last n-skips (n can stand for 3, or 4, or any other amount of your choice) are lower than the average skip

The main question is: Why and when is something considered Hot .

(digits: with an average skip of 3.33 draws,... [ More ]

Reply #6

Raven62 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:59:16 GMT

Shortsum is a better indicator of Cold Sums than Hot, because of the Bell Curve and the Distribution of Combinations. More Hits occur in the Sum 09 thru 18 Range.

Pick 3 RS to Sum Cross-Reference

RS0=Sum 00

RS1=Sum 01, 10, 19

RS2=Sum 02, 11, 20

RS3=Sum 03, 12, 21

RS4=Sum 04, 13, 22

RS5=Sum 05, 14, 23

RS6=Sum 06, 15, 24

RS7=Sum 07, 16, 25

RS8=Sum 08, 17, 26

RS9=Sum 09, 18, 27

Reply #5

yiot — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:30:06 GMT

it will be easier if you split the short sums in 2 parts primary and secondary based on history on your own state

Reply #4

CARBOB — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:37:01 GMT

Shortsum

0 A 10 15 6 5 10

Shortsum

1 A 12 5 0 22 5

Shortsum 2 H 6 18 4 1 5

Shortsum 3 C 21 14 14 5 15

Shortsum 4 A 7 7 7 11 13

Shortsum 5 VH 0 0 7 10 1

Shortsum 6 A 2 8 5 6 28

Shortsum 7 C 45 15 27 1 0

Shortsum 8 H 14 13 2 8 0

Shortsum 9 VH 3 0 0 2 4

VH=Very Hot

Reply #3

paurths — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:14:28 GMT

Hi,

do not pick just one from the list, but look at all of them,

surely sometimes one would pick several that match hot , no?

For example, if the average skip is 10, and the last 3 skips were let's say 5 8 4

then the sum of those skips would be 17.

Devided by 3, that makes 5,6 average.

So 5.6 is lower than for example 6 (as milestone, everything that is lower skip than the 'milestone' is hot), or 7 (as milestone), or 8 (as milestone), then something is hot.

That is what i me... [ More ]

Reply #2

CARBOB — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:04:16 GMT

I would say this one, Shortsum 9 : 3 0 0 2 4, but it could be making a balancing move. Look at shortsum 7, skip 45. When it finally hits, look for it to be back in less than 5 draws. If I remember correctly, Thoth once told me that you have a 50/50 chance for any filter to come back within 5 draws.

Reply #1

JAP69 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:58:59 GMT

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 6 5 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 5 0 22 5

Shortsum 2 : 6 18 4 1 5

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 5 15

Shortsum 4 : 7 7 7 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 0 0 7 10 1

Shortsum 6 : 2 8 5 6 28

Shortsum 7 : 45 15 27 1 0

Shortsum 8 : 14 13 2 8 0

Shortsum 9 : 3 0 0 2 4

The obvious as hot looks like shortsum 9 but has it run its course. Further draw history would be helpful to visualy run hit skip on hot runs.

The same opinion would go for cold like the shortsum 3 with longest skips b... [ More ]

When is something considered 'Hot'?

paurths — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:46:44 GMT

Hi,

i ask this question to gather some opinions on this matter.

Here's an example: There are 10 shortsums in a Pick3 game,

The average skip of each shortsum is 10 draws.

Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,

and the example take is GA eve

Shortsum 0 : 10 15 6 5 10

Shortsum 1 : 12 5 0 22 5

Shortsum 2 : 6 18 4 1 5

Shortsum 3 : 21 14 14 5 15

Shortsum 4 : 7 7 7 11 13

Shortsum 5 : 0 0 7 10 1

Shortsum 6 : 2 8 5 6 28

Shortsum 7 : 45 15 2... [ More ]