What is a lottery system? What distinguishes a lottery system from guesses, dreams and quick picks?

Reply #918

mayhem — Sat, 07 May 2011 04:30:03 GMT

This isn't that hard to believe and it isn't a real magical secret either. What your friend is doing is playing 3000 combinations. That you gives you a 1 in 3.33 chance in winning. Not bad. Now you just wait till its 6 overdue by whatever criteria he has figured out in whatever state and play the numbers. This can be done with something simple like 2High2Low and 2odd2Even which are 3750 combinations respectively. To get better coverage he could combine the statistics 2high2low + 20dd2even. If yo... [ More ]

Reply #917

mayhem — Sat, 07 May 2011 04:12:51 GMT

I was waiting for your reply. Yes it does answer my question. I'm glad I gave you something new to chew on.

Reply #916

visiondude — Fri, 06 May 2011 20:04:57 GMT

If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it

RJ said; As far as I know no such systems exist

RJ has been around just about since LP was a dirt floor, in comparison to the skyscraper it is now, and him being a system player ........at least he speaks the brevity truth.

like i stated brevity / common sense truth before ------ not even in the pick 3

Reply #915

RJOh — Fri, 06 May 2011 19:34:03 GMT

Have you? Is it working better for you than buying Quick Picks

Reply #914

rdgrnr — Fri, 06 May 2011 18:23:45 GMT

Now there's a system I can relate to!

I like that one real good.

I ain't got any buckets though.

Have to use croker sacks.

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Reply #913

Domeman — Fri, 06 May 2011 17:35:52 GMT

Has anyone tried 3 5 gallon buckets with Ping Pong Balls #0-9 cover with cloth

with a slit in the cloth to reach you hand in, before each drawing shake up the

buckets pull out a ball and play that combination.

It could be expanded to cove Powerball, etc...

Reply #912

visiondude — Wed, 04 May 2011 05:52:58 GMT

i enumerated the many excuses' you guys manufactured about me, when you didn't want to address the different highlights i made about the suspicious claims that systems extract superior results over QP's, but this is a new one even for me.

i will let your irrelevant excuses run wild, but tall enough in the integrity dept to maintain not having to resort to the tactics you guys resort to, and i carry my weight judiciously, when i need to.

does that answer your question ?

can you come up w... [ More ]

Reply #911

jimmy4164 — Wed, 04 May 2011 01:30:37 GMT

Maybe you're right Rjoh. Maybe trying to hit the p-3 on a regular basis is close to trying to beat a JP just once...lol

I can see the math in my head...Hee hee..

Don't lose that image; you've figured it out

Reply #910

joker17 — Wed, 04 May 2011 01:12:18 GMT

Your answers are so cavalier sounding...lol

Of course i would also want to win the 10,000 bucks but it would be much harder to beat than the measley 50 to 1. Wouldn't you want to beat 50 to 1 even If it wasn't the 50 to 1 payoff, say 25 bucks for a dollar bet on a regular basis. Because deep down, once you find a way to beat it on a regular basis, then you only have to repeat the process. Unlike trying to beat the JP, you have to have a miracle....

Maybe you're right Rjoh. Maybe trying to... [ More ]

Reply #909

RJOh — Wed, 04 May 2011 01:01:16 GMT

Depends on the prize, if the 10,000 to 1 odds were for $10,000 and the 50 to 1 odds were for $50, I would take the 10,000 to 1 odds if both cost a dollar. Adding $49 to the dollar I have is not going make much difference in my life but adding $9,999 to it would.

Reply #908

joker17 — Wed, 04 May 2011 00:56:52 GMT

Play online...

No problems, Only Solutions...

Reply #907

joker17 — Wed, 04 May 2011 00:50:26 GMT

You make a good point because I haven't found one either, but If I gave you the option of a game to beat that either had 10,000 to 1 odds, or 50 to 1, which one would you choose to beat

Reply #906

RJOh — Wed, 04 May 2011 00:37:50 GMT

If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it

As far as I know no such systems exist and neither do any of those time machines that some other players said they would use to back in time to play the winning numbers after viewing the drawings. If they did I would have a different strategy for playing too.

Reply #905

ameriken — Wed, 04 May 2011 00:21:03 GMT

I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games.

Excellent point and I would agree. I'd love to be playing the 3's and 4's because of the odds but Colorado does not have any as of yet, all we have are the jackpot games. My goal would be to make enough money at 3 and 4 to fund the larger 5 and 6 # JP games, if that's possible.

Reply #904

joker17 — Wed, 04 May 2011 00:00:52 GMT

Well, the premise of this thread is dealing with what defines a system, and If I had a system that hit the p-3 regularly where I could make a living off of it, or having a chance of hitting a JP, which is surely out of my reach because of the sheer amount of possible combos, I'd choose making the efffort at something that I can master that is easier, than trying to beat something that 99.9% of folks will never beat like the JP games.

I know someone In a state I won't mention that has made ove... [ More ]

Reply #903

Stack47 — Tue, 03 May 2011 23:15:55 GMT

We could look at the percentage of possible combos each method has if that helps. The pick-4 bet has 0.01% and the pick-5 bet has 0.00347%. Odds are usually expressed as chances to lose (575737) to chances to win (20). It's no different than on a crap table when Five is the point and there are 6 ways to roll a Seven and 4 ways to roll a Five ; rounded off to 3 to 2 odds.

100,000 tickets have a 21% chance and the house would gladly take that bet on a $100,000 jackpot. The rolling jackpots are... [ More ]

Reply #902

Stack47 — Tue, 03 May 2011 22:41:30 GMT

A $20 5/39 ticket should get back at least $2 and if somebody said $10 or $11, I wouldn't argue. I never bet $20 on a pick-4 number straight; have any hot numbers

Reply #901

Coin Toss — Tue, 03 May 2011 22:22:52 GMT

Dividing the 5/39 odds by 20 to arrive at 28788 to one just doesn't work (or dividing by any other number.)

IF IT DID, with the over 100,000 members on this board we could all pitch in $1 every Pick 5 drawing and split every jackpot available. Why stop at $20? Just keep sending it in until you have an even money bet.

IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did no house would be bookinng the action.

No matter how many lines of numbers you play each onr line is up against the 575757:1 odds. Only one winni... [ More ]

Reply #900

RJOh — Tue, 03 May 2011 20:37:04 GMT

True but to get those odds, you betting for a prize of $100,000 or nothing at all while a 5/39 game top prize may be greater than $100,000 or you could also win one of the smaller prizes.

Reply #899

RJOh — Tue, 03 May 2011 20:22:04 GMT

If I understand your logic, you're saying it make no sense to buy a Fantasy Five ticket which has 1:376000 odds of winning $100,000+ when you can buy a pick3 ticket which has 1:1000 odds of winning $600. That logic probably makes more sense to you then it ever will to me because losing money trying to win $600 doesn't make as much sense to me as losing the same amount trying to win millions of dollars. I guess that's why state offer different games with different size prizes and odds, something... [ More ]

Reply #898

Stack47 — Tue, 03 May 2011 15:38:54 GMT

The odds of betting $20 on a straight pick-4 number and winning $100,000 are 9999 to 1. The odds of winning a $100,000 plus jackpot for the same $20 on a 5/39 pick-5 game are 28,788 to 1.

Joker does have a point.

Reply #897

Stack47 — Tue, 03 May 2011 15:28:42 GMT

I thought people played for the jackpots and not for the $1 they are expected to get by wagering $10 on a 5/39 game. My goals using any system are to wager as little as possible for a chance to win a jackpot. I played RC5 for $20 every drawing for over six weeks at a small profit; that's almost 900 chances to hit the jackpot without spending a dime.

I'll never know if I had hit a jackpot playing QPs because I never asked a lottery clerk for 900 QPs and those 900 combinations were never genera... [ More ]

Reply #896

Stack47 — Tue, 03 May 2011 15:00:19 GMT

This discussion keeps bouncing around between pick-3 systems and jackpot game systems and the distinction between them and chance. In pick-3 games chance is on average $500 in winnings for every $1000 bet and as RJ's chart shows, it's $105 in winnings for every $1000 bet for Ohio Classic Lotto (6/49). It's obvious it's easier to beat chance by playing this jackpot game, but it's 5 times harder to show a profit.

The Kentucky pick-3 pays $600 to $1 and online pick-3 games pay $900 to $1 so syst... [ More ]

Reply #895

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 03 May 2011 12:11:16 GMT

The logic you referred to is based on a different premise than the logic Rjoh is basing his attempts on.

Reply #894

time*treat — Tue, 03 May 2011 06:27:35 GMT

When I was crawling around in P3, I found I could easily match 2 of 3 (which pays $0)

When I tried crawling around in P4, I found I was matching 3 of 4 (which also pays $0)

P5/JP games pay for matching all-but-one of the numbers.

I'd rather play the games that pay a bit when I'm close .

Reply #893

joker17 — Tue, 03 May 2011 05:34:20 GMT

Rjoh said....

That's the reason I've only tried developing a winning system for the pick5 and jackpot games.

How can you attempt beating a Pick-5 game with hundreds of thousands of possibilities, when the most logical plan would be to first try beating a 1000 to 1 odds with the P-3?........ You have to crawl before you walk you know....

In Florida it's about 376,000 to 1 for the Fantasy Five. About 376 times harder than the P-3......Is the microphone working?....lol

Not to men... [ More ]

Reply #892

RJOh — Tue, 03 May 2011 03:25:21 GMT

I've never thought of Pick3/4 games as ways to win huge profits even though I occasionally read of it happening when someone bets a huge amount on one combination and wins. That's the reason I've only tried developing a winning system for the pick5 and jackpot games.

Reply #891

Thoth — Mon, 02 May 2011 20:27:08 GMT

I have actually found ways to win huge profits on the P3 and P4 games, at least on paper and back testing...only problem is that they require huge bankrolls to implement....the kind of money only wealthy people could afford to gamble with. The only real way to lose in these systems is if some freakishly anomalous gap occurred between hits or the lottery officials shut down the numbers that day. Ever notice the min and max bets on each game table at the casinos? The min sets the minimum unit that... [ More ]

Reply #890

RJOh — Mon, 02 May 2011 11:57:37 GMT

It's unlikely you will ever see that since the normal expected returns for pick5 and jackpots games are ~10-20% and even twice those amounts are nothing to brag about since everyone hope is to show a profit.

Reply #889

jimmy4164 — Mon, 02 May 2011 06:31:03 GMT

I would expect quite a bit more myself too, but for any system to hit higher is something that I have yet to see proven...

I have yet to see a system proven to perform beyond the normal expected rate either...

Reply #888

Thoth — Sun, 01 May 2011 18:46:45 GMT

I don't follow OCL, or really any of the bigger games much at all. The big jackpot games only take a system to work once in order to really pay out anyways, unless you are going for multiple smaller tier wins.

As far as pick 3 is concerned though, I'm simply suggesting that a successful system has to perform much better than what random chance would allow for. Realistically, if you played 1000 consecutive games, spending 20 dollars a draw, you would spend $20,000 and win (according to a proba... [ More ]

Reply #887

RJOh — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:39:34 GMT

The following are the odds and payouts for Ohio Classic Lotto (6/49)

tickets or chances per draw 1000

possible combos of 6/49 numbers = 13983816

MATCHES ODDS WINNING COMBOS EXPECTED WINNERS EXPECTED WINNINGS

6/6 1 : 13983816 1 0.00 X JP

5/6 1 : 54201 258 0.02 X $1500 $ 0

4/6 1 : 1032 13545 0.97 X $70 $70

3/6 1 : 57 246820 17.65 X $2 $35

___________________________________________________________________________________

overall odds are 1 : 53.6 18.6 total expected win... [ More ]

Reply #886

JosephusMinimus — Sun, 01 May 2011 15:21:39 GMT

A person who only reads the Mystical Forum could easily believe that. Anyone taking a peek at the Math, Lottery Systems, Pick 5, Pick 3 and some others would know otherwise. Those include a pantheon of approaches to lottery systems and lottery prediction involving math but having nothing to do with statistics.

But I'm not at all certain what libra dave is doing every day on the Mystical Forum couldn't be called a system.

The thread was never intended to question what makes a 'successful sy... [ More ]

Reply #885

CARBOB — Sun, 01 May 2011 15:17:55 GMT

This is a pleasant surprise, a post from you. PM me and tell me how you are doing, miss your very informant posts.

Reply #884

Raven62 — Sun, 01 May 2011 15:11:21 GMT

It boils down to the old debate: Mysticism vs Statistical

Either way: People are Playing Numbers based upon incomplete or uncertain knowledge!

Play On

Reply #883

Thoth — Sun, 01 May 2011 14:06:30 GMT

I think a systems success will be difined by its performance against probability over the long term. In pick 3 for example, if a system gives you 20 numbers to play every draw, and you only win 2% of all games played, then the system is only performing as good as randomness and chance should allow for and it is NOT producing results that are giving you an edge on the game. However, if you consistently win say 4% or 5% of all games played (with only 20 numbers a day which is 2%), then you would b... [ More ]

Reply #882

JosephusMinimus — Sun, 01 May 2011 13:39:15 GMT

You might be right, though in the early stages of the thread math was intermittently discussed as it pertained to lottery systems. There's no clearly defined instructional material as to where a thread should be placed and at the time of the initial posting the Math forum seemed to stand a better chance of getting the kinds of insights I was looking for.

Next most appropriate would have been the Lottery Systems forum in my view. But the Lottery Systems Forum was getting hundreds of posts dai... [ More ]

Reply #881

Stack47 — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:58:28 GMT

Ten QPs and ten SPs have the same mathematical probability so other than using math to show how the payoffs can be enhanced using a system, the topic didn't belong in the Mathematical Forum in the first place.

Reply #880

Todd — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:41:05 GMT

Reply #879

RJOh — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:21:32 GMT

I doubt if any of those players making over 8000 predictions a day are using any system other than a RNG to come up with that many predictions daily.

Reply #878

RJOh — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:15:47 GMT

This thread started out just asking What is a lottery system? and What distinguishes it from guesses, dream and quick picks? .

Guesses and dreams are self explained and quick picks are random combinations picked by lottery terminals unseen by the players until after they are generated and paid for. System are ways of picking combinations to play and can vary from a simple paper and pencil workout to a more complex computer program that analizes past drawings to come up with ways of predicting... [ More ]

Reply #877

ameriken — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:14:24 GMT

Not necessarily, that only tells how well one member is doing vs another member or one system vs another. It says nothing about random. What would the random results be in predictions? Better or worse?

The worst predictor could be doing better than random, therefore that person has an edge. That's what the discussion is about: system vs random, not system vs system or player vs player...that could be a totally different discussion.

Reply #876

pick4hawk — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:11:53 GMT

If this thead is not going to discuss math--maybe the topic should be closed or moved to the discussion forum.

Reply #875

RJOh — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:59:32 GMT

There are usually several premium members posting 50 predictions for every drawings, that should should be good enough for any predictors to compare how well he's doing. If he's not doing better than his fellow predictors then his system isn't giving him much of an edge.

Reply #874

ameriken — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:44:45 GMT

Bragging rights mean nothing. Wins mean everything. If a player wins back 1/3 third of his money playing random #'s or QP;s, and then gives up QP's and uses a system and wins back 2/3 of his money, bragging rights or not, that system has given him an edge.

It's too bad the predictions board doesn't automatically post a random set of 50 numbers for every game in every state so that there is at least a standard that everyone can compare their results to. I wonder if that can be done... [ More ]

Reply #873

pick4hawk — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:29:19 GMT

I'm still waiting for good ideas on what people define as a system. QPs are riged to loose. The only time I have won anything is by doing something math wise. Over the few 1000's or so QP I have played at best there was one winning number on the ticket. A waste of time.

QP are not a system. QP are not based at all upon past results.

If you have nothing of useful to say to aid other players --I wonder why to post --other than to blow smoke.

Reply #872

RJOh — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:07:08 GMT

It's unlikely if anyone accepted visiondude's challenge it would prove anything. For several years I've played PB and MM along with the local 649 Classic Lotto with odds of winning a jackpot at least twelve times better but my winnings results don't show that.

It unlikely a system or strategy even if it gives a player an edge would show any difference results in the short term from those of an equal amount of randomly picked combinations. That's the reason players who buy two lottery tickets... [ More ]

Reply #871

Guru101 — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:50:06 GMT

VisionDude, you're getting too caught up in human superiority. Your tendency to criticize or challenge other people is like that of an animal. We are playing the lottery here, which is a game. There's nothing wrong with friendly competiveness, but if you make a challenge to someone and they turn it down, you shouldn't think any less of them and not go on a huge rampage trying to prove they are scared of a challenge or that their system doesn't work. They are using their system for themself and t... [ More ]

Reply #870

mayhem — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:06:39 GMT

Yes he did. I can repost them if you'd like. Tell me the last one you saw.

Reply #869

Stack47 — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:01:37 GMT

Did visiondude post something?

For some reason his posts no longer appear on my screen.

Reply #868

mayhem — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:35:53 GMT

How tall are you visiondude and how much do you weigh

Reply #867

visiondude — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:50:40 GMT

I think what bothers you is probably the inherently rude interruption, intrusion and deliberate provocation obviously intended to disrupt any continuity within the thread .

quit your whining, and your weak attempt at painting me as being the bad guy, just because you don't like to have a position you hold sliced wide open.

geeeze, if it's true , you would naturally welcome that.

i took a return trip down memory lane, and went back in this thread to my first post on page 3

it was an... [ More ]

Reply #866

visiondude — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:25:07 GMT

of course not, because you high five purposeful lying about people when it suits your side of the debate.

all that needs to be repeated is the notion that guys like you have no problem conscience wise of going to the ethical lowest denominator when you are losing the debate.

lying = acceptable. check

making up rediculous reasons for not engaging your end of what you claim (oh, his grammer and mathematical skills we just cannot understand). check

attacking a persons character, going s... [ More ]

Reply #865

visiondude — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:08:44 GMT

if i were you, i would head for the exit door too.

doesn't it get even a little bit embarassing when i highlight your purposeful lies without a conscience?

guess not, because you are still at it in your most recent insinuation above.

like i stated....i never said anyone made that particular statement or claim.

what i did say (and you purposefully left out) was that you guys keep saying SP's can beat QP's in the extraction for profit game, and whenever you guys made that statement wit... [ More ]

Reply #864

Domeman — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:44:53 GMT

Then, Why spend all the time debating an issue to death if it's been done.

Or do you want the Golden Goose just handed to you on a platter.

Reply #863

ameriken — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:50:50 GMT

And fortunately it's been proven time and time on LP that it can be done.

Reply #862

RJOh — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:50:07 GMT

What others think right or wrong don't effect your odds of winning, only you can change that.

Reply #861

mayhem — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 03:48:14 GMT

I don't care who is right, I just want to win some money.

Reply #860

ameriken — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 03:17:20 GMT

I like your confidence in your system. This thread, along with Jimmy4164's insistence that there is no difference between random and system picks got me curious as to how well or poorly I really was doing. That's when I decided to keep track and fortunately, this system is kicking randoms rear. I'm sorry to say, but Jimmy is way off on this one. Sorry Jimmy.

Good luck, I'll be watching your thread and hope you do well.

Reply #859

Guru101 — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:08:50 GMT

Nope. I haven't been generating a separate 10 lines of pure random numbers to compare against because I already know my system gives me an advantage.

What I like about elmination is the fact I don't have to look for specific numbers. The filters just look to see if a set meets certain criteria, and if it does, it's playable, everything else is discarded. Anything that gets discarded improves your odds. I usually buy $5 worth of Hoosier Lotto tickets every drawing.

If I buy a $5 QP my odds... [ More ]

Reply #858

ameriken — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:35:49 GMT

Good for you, keep it going. Are you tracking your system picks against random picks?

I've been doing it for almost a month and have been kicking randoms arse. The past few days my pick 5 numbers have completely sucked wind, but even at that they're still better than random!

SP's doing better than random? Go figure

Reply #857

Guru101 — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:07:16 GMT

Update: got my first hit on the midday. Still using the first 2 filters.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/230662

Reply #856

Stack47 — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:04:50 GMT

VD: i never said anybody ever stated they could beat my QP's vs their SP's . that's a straight up lie.

It looks like someone can be that stupid!

I'm not going to waste any more time replying to someone that can't comprehend the English language, has very little knowledge of lottery games, and who is mathematical illiterate in a forum that's The place to discuss the strong ties between lotteries and mathematics.

Reply #855

Domeman — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:39:00 GMT

Lotterybraker,

You are correct

Starting with 220 Boxed numbers

The previous draw was 3 diferent digits

The following choices

No CarryOver - 84 numbers

No CarryOver - 35 Single Boxed

No CarryOver - 49 Double Triple Boxed

CarryOver - 84 Numbers

CarryOver - 63 Single Boxed

CarryOver - 21 Double Triple Combo's

Double CarryOver - 42 Numbers

Double CarryOver - 21 Single Boxed

Double CarryOver - 21 Double Triple Combo's

Triple CarryOVer - 10 Numbers most Double... [ More ]

Reply #854

lotterybraker — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:37:49 GMT

well..I have noticed that each group , either for or against, quick pics or System pics will climb to the highest mountain top and shout as loud as they can that they are right..which is PERFECTLY FIND..that is what makes each person unique, different in their beliefs...we as human beings are taught to be tolerent of other peoples opinions, even if we believe them or not..we can try to persuade to them our side, sometimes that doesnt work..but we still give it a shot ..its in our nature I believ... [ More ]

Reply #853

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:42:22 GMT

Josephus

Nice Post.

I still think a big red [ERASE] button would be all that was needed to fix the problem. Maybe it could be tied

to a counter and once, lets say that 5 members pressed it the erase would take place or a automatic thread

would be created and the content moved to it. Another idea would be have a [off topic] button and once

it was pressed by so many members then the guilty person would be blocked from futher posting on the thread

for so many days. A second offenc... [ More ]

Reply #852

visiondude — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:22:57 GMT

thanks for your reply, and again, your civility.

seems the pretenders are loosing their minds, and are now consulting philosophers in order to soothe their wounded conscience.

ain't my fault

anyway, soon as i get the chance, i will pour over your initial offering, and we will go from there.

you see....i can agree to disagree when i am dealing with a gentleman.

when they throw lying / whining tantrums into the mix, just because they don't like a polar opposite opinion, then i have... [ More ]

Reply #851

visiondude — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:08:10 GMT

just remember before you assign something to someone they don't deserve, that you (and all the others) are CHASING something that no one can even create a hint of success at, and that given the amount of time the lottery has been around, and the brilliant minds in here that pursue it with everything they have.

not even in the pick 3

if you can't answer the who of who is delusional in that equation, then...

delusion is best defined in this arena as expending extreme amounts of efforts, a... [ More ]

Reply #850

visiondude — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:56:13 GMT

Those figures never were meant to be factual because it was data for a Monte Carlo simulation .

exactly.

and just like i pointed out, you were schicken with doing a simulation with me, but when it came time to do a simulation that you wanted to do with jimmy, you whined he wouldn't get back to you on it.

you and your ever evolving innocent facts

what was even more apparent about you (after i highlighted it), is that after you insinuated the projected result as factual , that even... [ More ]

Reply #849

visiondude — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:29:35 GMT

well, chalk that up to another purposeful lie and misrepresentation of what i have stated in here.

once again, lying is an acceptable part of what you guys do, and you high five each other when you do it.

that's some strength of position you guys have goin for ya

i never said anybody ever stated they could beat my QP's vs their SP's . that's a straight up lie.

besides, it's an impossibility that anyone ever has said that in this thread, because when pushed came to shove, all the one... [ More ]

Reply #848

ameriken — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:03:50 GMT

Good post Joe, you probably nailed it.

Reply #847

JosephusMinimus — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:14:49 GMT

I've been running the post you made regarding delusions around in the back of my mind most of the afternoon weighing the pros and cons of delusions. I understand why you posted what you did and what you intended to communicate insofar as how delusions apply to the behavior of the people who've posted on this thread.

Eventually I decided delusions aren't what bothers you in what's happened here. The thread is about what defines a lottery system. If someone had posted an opinion so outrageous a... [ More ]

Reply #846

pick4hawk — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:35:56 GMT

In a vast sense anything you can throw a counter on in reverse to fowardly pick digits could be called a lottery system.

If you can throw a counter upon subjective feelings then it might be considered a system.

One may use anything --stats, binary, or whatever but reverse grouping for a purpose is necessary.

One must see a pattern, sequence, not a dream normally.

Good results to me means money in my pocket at the end of the week.

Good luck

HAWK

Reply #845

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:34:56 GMT

An acquaintance of mine with a PHD in math who happens to also be a savant drives a taxicab for a living in Tucson. I've tried to persuade him to get interested in the lotteries and if he did maybe he'd be a professional lottery player. But as it stands, you're right. He's a professional taxi driver.

Reply #844

RJOh — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:46:38 GMT

I see a new thread coming, How many computer programmers play the lottery? Or How many mathematicians can program and play the lottery?

Computer programmers and mathematicians are professionals, while many LP members do a little of what both do as lottery players, I doubt if most would classify themselves as either.

Reply #843

Stack47 — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:25:54 GMT

Nobody has to be a mathematician to join in the discussion, but they should know how to add, subtract, multiply and divide.

Reply #842

Stack47 — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:04:35 GMT

As for delusions, there are plenty to go around.

The only delusion on this thread is the insistence by VD that someone said their SPs would beat VD's QPs . That delusion is solely in VD's mind based on VD's personal delusional assumptions and/or conclusions.

Ken is comparing his personal picks with his QPs and I wouldn't be surprised if VD claims Ken's QPs as his own and demands to be paid the value of the QPs.

Reply #841

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:21:27 GMT

gary: I sympathize about the neighbors. People sneak around through the woods here at night and move my osterich eggs around trying to make me suspicious enough to call the sheriff because they'd like him to think I'm paranoid.

We sure as hell need some new threads, even though RL's got some working. I've been thinking about something along the lines of The the math side of numerology , or Astrophysics, astrology and Benford's Law . The Mystical Forum's getting all the business and Math's sit... [ More ]

Reply #840

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:05:35 GMT

amerikan: I'm determined to have fun whether it involves trying to sift out some learning from what people are posting - and I have and will continue to do it as long as this interminable thread I started staggers onward through the fog, or just enjoying what happens in between times with people saying what's on their minds about less-than-helpful otherwise matters.

The two posters here I couldn't manage that with I blocked, so maybe I'm under-reacting to their offensiveness. If so, I'm pleas... [ More ]

Reply #839

garyo1954 — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:34:01 GMT

Josephus,

I see a new thread coming, How many computer programmers play the lottery? Or How many mathematicians can program and play the lottery?

Delusions? I've had a few. I'm quite abnormal for a normal person. But there are a couple in this thread that beat me hands down. At least one played lottery numbers he saw in a piece of toast as a QP. Probably tried to cash the toast too.

My neighbors scare me. They are stealing all the stuff I toss in the trash. I keep a window open keep a... [ More ]

Reply #838

ameriken — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:24:48 GMT

Joe, I'm not referring to delusional in a joking manner. Stack nailed it when he said and now you're using your lies to claim a mythical superiority .

I don't want to harp on this, it was just something that came to mind today. And I could be wrong about my assertion as well. However, I don't know which is worse about this: being right, or being wrong.

Reply #837

truecritic — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:12:11 GMT

Original Post by Stack47

VD: there was no discrepancy about the inability to handle the english language (on my part) when you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000. Nobody can be this stupid!

Are you sure? THAT might be your first untruth

Reply #836

JosephusMinimus — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:03:35 GMT

Nice seeing someone familiar with Jaspers. Maybe my favorite philosopher throughout the centuries.

As for delusions, there are plenty to go around. We all have our fair share and those of us particip hmm parcipitating hell is that the real word for people gathered up doing the same thing?

Anyway those of us who've posted here on this thread have spread our delusions across the surface like butter on toast. Nobody who paid his money hoping to see delusions is going to complain on his way ou... [ More ]

Reply #835

ameriken — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:05:51 GMT

OFF TOPIC: but perhaps this will explain some of the posts in here. Anyone who has followed this thread from around page 3 will know what I mean. I don't share this jokingly, but rather seriously.

(Emphasis my own.)

from: delusional dot com

Delusional Disorder Definition

Delusional disorders are a relatively common mental illness that frequently goes unreported by patients. The severity of the condition is a wide range, with some patients experiencing only mild effects of the d... [ More ]

Reply #834

Stack47 — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:17:03 GMT

VD: call it what you will, but you work to sell things as factual , that aren't remotely factual.

Those figures never were meant to be factual because it was data for a Monte Carlo simulation.

VD: there was no discrepancy about the inability to handle the english language (on my part) when you made the claim that you knew you could turn $100,000 into $35,000,000.

Nobody can be this stupid!

Any state lottery could use a pick-3 simulation to estimate how much profit they should expec... [ More ]

Reply #833

lotterybraker — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:05:18 GMT

well when I began to tell them I would need to have every state or country that has a pic 3 or a pic 4 in it..then the PERSON would have to click on their STATE or country to purchase pic 3 combos or pic 4 combos ..then they said ..well you will need a website that has like 50 pages...it would have to be encrypted ,, etc etc etc..since I am not a computer expert, I wouldnt know if they were lieing are not..hahaha

But as they saying goes..there is more than one way to skin a cat..and I am goin... [ More ]

Reply #832

lotterybraker — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:56:20 GMT

RL RANDOMLOGIC..if I read that right just skimming through it..you seem to be more interested in distance traveled to lock in on a set of numbers....well if your conclusion is the DISTANCE TRAVELED is the most important piece then you are absolutely correct then...

Now..before you build the wheel if you havent done so already..let me tell you EXACTLY what will happen...the number of DISTANCES ON THE WHEEL will be the target group...RANDOM will AUTOMATICALLY cycle through each group one after

Reply #831

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:17:45 GMT

LB

I corrected and replaced the data file for the link above.

RL

Reply #830

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:41:04 GMT

LB

There may be a error in the code I used here as some of them don't add up. I will have to recheck it when

I get some time.

RL

Reply #829

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:03:07 GMT

LOTTERYBRAKER

I was messing around and thought you might be interested in this. A while back I posted a simulation of

using a Big wheel like the one on the game show The Price is Right where every set was placed on the

wheel. The sets are placed in numerical order and the wheel is spun and must go all the way around each

spin. The wheel is not reset each draw so each spin would begin where the last draw ended. The percents

are how far the wheel spins from it's beginning point to... [ More ]

Reply #828

time*treat — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:46:56 GMT

Unless your website is going to be outrageously elaborate from the start, you could get going for easily 1/20th or less of what those guys are wanting to charge.

Reply #827

lotterybraker — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:05:21 GMT

Visiondude..just read over your QUESTIONS of concern..let me answer those for you and I will be a Southern Gentleman about it for sure..I only get ugly or rude when I KNOW FOR A FACT I AM RIGHT..but then I just usually will drop the conversation because no matter how hard you try to explain something to someone..they still cant get it....

1. Yes you are right..I live in Mississippi and we do not have a lottery and the past 20 plus years all I have done is RESEARCH ..thats all..and I have... [ More ]

Reply #826

visiondude — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:04:27 GMT

look, it's obvious none of you are ever going to step up to the stage short of your whining, so step aside, and let lotterybraker and i debate the issue.

go waste someone elses time.

i have bigger fish to fry, now that someone is actually willing to swim in the integrity pool, instead of suntanning on the beach.

at least lotterybraker has the guts to back up her/his claim

Reply #825

visiondude — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:53:17 GMT

you can make up whatever your conscience decides on in la la vacation land, but the truth is you purposefully fudge facts about success with your attempts at the innocent insertion thereof.

i just happen to be better at reading thru the feign-ous, to highlight you doing it.

make that attempting it .

call it what you will, but you work to sell things as factual , that aren't remotely factual.

not when pieced together, and certainly not on the big scale of eventuality.

trouble is.... [ More ]

Reply #824

visiondude — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:37:46 GMT

Here's a brilliant question posed by VD:

would you rather i allow them to bully me into a submissive state, whereby they silence my view?

Multiple choice answers:

a A) Yes

a B) Sure

a C) Absolutely

we all know you would, and we all know why, because men of strength always run in the other direction, hide under rocks and only come out for pot shot practice, and the creme de le creme of the strength of position crowd , attempt to silence your opponent if you can... [ More ]

Reply #823

visiondude — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:24:46 GMT

well Vision dude...you have my go ahead ...

ok, lets' see if we can play fair, without some rediculous shot across the bow of the ship.

i am not here to attack people, i am here to measure the validity of ideaologies, and it's apparent in an ethical world that if someone has something, they aren't supposed to cry to the hills when someone shines a light on it, as to it's validity.

to me, when adding up something that supposedly is valid in terms of varifiable evidence that someone act... [ More ]

Reply #822

visiondude — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:54:14 GMT

the fact about you is that your tainted by agenda, and anyone that is tainted by agenda couldn't possibly be trusted for an unbiased opinion on whatever they are pontificating about at the moment.

count yourself with the ain'ts , and continue to lie to yourself that their tactics are above board when debating with me.

interesting that you failed to mention the nasty remarks these guys throw onto the board, and i alone am the bad guy .

you only mentioned jimmy and i, and yet your giving... [ More ]

Reply #821

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:23:26 GMT

Duuuuuuuude....

I see no lies about your character, because your character shows true, and it ain't what you think.

As far as integrity lines , just because you annoint yourself an integrity cop, trying to arrest guys that cross imaginary integrity lines, doesn't mean you are one. Like I said, people who yap about how great they are, are actually the exact opposite. I .... I ..... I . You really are full of yourself.

I see a thread that started out as an interesting thread, and it ended... [ More ]

Reply #820

RJOh — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:04:00 GMT

What are you claiming happens because of user error in this most amazing software you have

Reply #819

Domeman — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:59:23 GMT

Even with my most amazing software in the whole world it still comes down to user error.

I luck be with everyone in this thread.