Play 10 & Win/All States

Reply #137

ekem6078 — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:12:54 GMT

Thanks foemill, yea I caught that one in a small box, but it beats a blank lol lol

Reply #136

foemill — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:30:36 GMT

WTG Ekem I know you had 627

Reply #135

ekem6078 — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:24:29 GMT

You welcome CDanaT, hope you got em. girlfriend.

Reply #134

ekem6078 — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:23:12 GMT

Caught a st/box TN 914 even

Reply #133

CDanaT — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:29:01 GMT

Pick 4 has hit twice this week on 3/03 E - 8019 box and on 3/06 M - 7912 box...thanks again

Reply #132

ekem6078 — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:09:36 GMT

Alrighty then CDana, hope you caught that.

Reply #131

CDanaT — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:49:32 GMT

Hey Ekem, our pick 3 finally warmed up down here....with the 67 on Friday...the numbers for Sunday were M-769 E-567..great job

Reply #130

ekem6078 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:45:28 GMT

No problem Kimono-skunk, you got it my friend. The only correction that I see is 2-24 you have 100 and it should be 300. Now as for the Double Draw payout, I don't know what you mean other than if your mid/even fridays play lines up to be a double and you play that double for the next 7 days and it pays double. Different states payout different amounts. Other than that you got my friend. When your fridays mid/eve numbers line up to be a double than you have to deciede whether to play that double... [ More ]

Reply #129

ekem6078 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:27:57 GMT

Thanks Kimono-skunk. Hope you take em to the bank my friend. Good Luck to you

Reply #128

ekem6078 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:18:15 GMT

No problem Kimono-skunk, its all good. Good Luck to you

Reply #127

ekem6078 — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:02:56 GMT

Hi Mouth. The lost depends on how you play the game. Like I said in the past post, you don't have to really play 10 (but in doing so will increase your chances of winning) You can play fewer numbers and gang a profit. Please refer to the past post and find out how.

Reply #126

Kimono-skunk — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 04:17:13 GMT

Sorry about fubar-ing your name Ekem6078, dunno why I called you Lep...

I must be more brain dead than I thought...

my sincere apologies to you, bows...

Kimonoskunk

Reply #125

lottoburg — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:21:02 GMT

Hi, Ekem6078:

Thanks for your sincere reply! However, I have made some backtest by using your method for NY P3 from Jan to Feb. The results are not good. I will lost about $200.00 if I play it by using your tool really. Maybe, your method is not working for NY.

Best regards,

lb

Reply #124

Kimono-skunk — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:40:26 GMT

As a side note, I ran your system here in Pa on paper, ... err.. laptop, and with plenty of copy pasting to Notepad, I came up with these numbers for Feb and 1st Friday of March.

(PLEASE Note: If I made any mistakes in this, please correct me, as i'm still trying to learn this system to use effectively... )

*****

Note: (m) is mid-day and (e) is evening

Pa Lottery draws (Friday's)

02/03/2012 (m) 8 6 6 (e) 3 6 4

02/10/2012 (m) 2 2 3 (e) 5 9 5

02/17/2012 (m) 3 4 0 (e) 3 9... [ More ]

Reply #123

Kimono-skunk — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:55:06 GMT

Dear Lep,

I have read thru all the pages and was OVERJOYED at not only you offering your system, (that you tested and backed up with facts) but you also use, and helped others get the system down. I'm really happy about your 'system' not relying on tea-leaves, the way the moon is spinning, or how many times I head-desk trying to figure out some of these other programs online.

(Hey, my wife says I'm thick-headed, and she's always right. )

And when the numbers line to win, not only are th... [ More ]

Reply #122

ekem6078 — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:19:30 GMT

lottoburg refer to the beginning post ok, if you need more help I will be glad to help you out. Good Luck

Reply #121

ekem6078 — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:16:47 GMT

Thanks foemill

Reply #120

ekem6078 — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:15:03 GMT

Thanks beaudad

Reply #119

ekem6078 — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:12:53 GMT

Whats up lottoburg. sorry I just now getting back to you, I've been working alot of OT lol lol. Ok the mirrors:

00=55 11=66 22=77 33=88 44=99 Use them as singles too 0=5 1=6 2=7 3=8 4=9 The best answer for your question of #2 is whatever you can afford. I can't afford to play alot of#s so I only play between 5 7. thats it. So it depends on what you can afford. Hope this helps you. and Good Luck as always

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Reply #118

beaudad — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:51:08 GMT

I agree....!!!!! Congrats Ekem...!!!!!...all the way to the piggy bank

Reply #117

Jaretzy2jordany — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:03:28 GMT

Lets play 093_593_017_237_138_339_694_050_123_222_555

Reply #116

lottoburg — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:02:53 GMT

Hi, Ekem: I'm so sorry to bother you again.

Two questions about your tool as below:

1) Could you tell me what are their mirror from 0 to 9? For example, why 00's mirror

is 44? ... etc

2) Do you think which TYPE of WAGER should be best to your method?

Thanks for your sincere help!

Best regards,

lottoburg

Reply #115

lottoburg — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:08:08 GMT

Hi, Ekem6078:

I'm very interesting with your method. Could you give me a summary about it instead of I renew the all posts, especially, about the double pair appears / mirror? Thanks for your sincere help!!!

Best regards,

Lottoburg

Reply #114

foemill — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:56:22 GMT

CONGRATS Ekem

Reply #113

ekem6078 — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:57:52 GMT

Thanks foemill, I was on that pair pretty heavy and caught it str/bx Sat midday.

Reply #112

ekem6078 — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:53:54 GMT

I got a straight/box yesterday TN midday 639 wheemee party time

Reply #111

foemill — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:48:35 GMT

Ekem I see your 93 Coming this week in TN I LIKE IT BEST MID DAY AND I LIKE 993 TO COME GOOD LUCK AND WIN BIG.COME SEE US.

Reply #110

ekem6078 — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:15:04 GMT

You welcome CDanaT and WTG. congrads This BUDS for you.

Reply #109

CDanaT — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:07:35 GMT

well Ekem...............hit twice this week under pick 3#s 007 611....2/11 mid 021...2/13 mid 510.......thanks

Reply #108

ekem6078 — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:43:15 GMT

lol lol CDanaT it bees that way sometime lol lol. If you can afford to play em both ways it well increase your odds a lot. I don't play pick 4 that much, but when I do I just stick with the Thursday/Friday combo everytime I play it. If you just stick with it this way it will come in for you. Don't jump around girlfriend Good Luck to you

Reply #107

CDanaT — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:55:04 GMT

Well Ekem...ya did it again.....yesterday I used the Thursday/Friday combo numbers when I should have used just the Friday 3 sets (winning #3469)...and today, when I use the 3 set of numbers it comes in under the Thursday/Friday combo (winning #6702).....Jeesh, well either way you are 2 for 2 in a row....lolol...great job

Reply #106

CDanaT — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:57:43 GMT

Tried the thursday and friday combo and guess what ??? shoulda just used the friday numbers instead.....Evening would have hit on a box 3469....lolol..oh well,

Thanks anyways

Reply #105

ekem6078 — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:25:01 GMT

You welcome CDanaT. Hope you win BIG. Good luck to you

Reply #104

CDanaT — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:44:12 GMT

Hey ekem...thanks for your assistance....let the winning begin

Reply #103

ekem6078 — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:59:51 GMT

Hey whit and robert66 hope you guys got that 238 today in your even drawing If not hope you all jump on that 13 pair for the week. Good Luck you all

Reply #102

ekem6078 — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:45:51 GMT

Thursdays Friday

mid 5239 mid 6741

eve 0889 eve 8267 Your pairs for the week from friday is 672x 728x 768x Now use thursday numbers for the x.

Your thursdays numbers (5, 2, 3, 8, 0, 9 with no repeats you now have only 6#s to play along with fridays sets. Your numbers to play for the week will be 6725 6722 6723 6728 6720 6729 7285 7282 7283 7288 7280 7289

7685 7682 7683 7688 7680 7689 Now you have to decide which one of these sets of 6#s to play. If you can afford to play them all go... [ More ]

Reply #101

Mouth — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:10:39 GMT

I just ran this for all of 2011 in PA. The year recorded a net loss of $4,400. Just trying to be helpful.

Mouth

Reply #100

CDanaT — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:14:01 GMT

Hey EKEM, I am not quite sure of what you mean by using Thursdays drawing with my Friday sets.....

If my Friday pick 4 for Mid is 6741 and Eves is 8267

and my Thursday pick 4 for mid is 5239 and Eves is 0889

What would be the combos

Reply #99

treese — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:37:01 GMT

You're welcome

Reply #98

ekem6078 — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:23:00 GMT

I went to your site and checked out all the infor. on it. I commend you on you system too treese. I backtested TN a little bit last night when I came in from work, and from what I've seen it looks really good. I'll do a little bit more backtesting tonight when I come in. Thanks for posting, and sharing this infro. girlfriend.

Reply #97

CDanaT — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:41:30 GMT

Appreciate the advice and assistance on your system....Hope all the folks down here give it a try.....

Reply #96

ekem6078 — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:11:31 GMT

Thanks for posting CDanaT. hope you got some of these.

Reply #95

ekem6078 — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:09:19 GMT

Hey Gang, If you don't wont to play that many numbers mid and even. Just use your numbers from your Thursdays drawing along with your fridays sets.(with no repeats). This way you will be playing less than 10. Good Luck All

Reply #94

ekem6078 — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:04:14 GMT

You got it! CDanaT. Now when you have a set that repeats itself you just use it once. Good Luck

Reply #93

ekem6078 — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:55:33 GMT

Thanks you treese. And by all means lets share all we know about the numbers girlfriend, cause it's our time to get paid. If it takes all of our knowledge to get some hits. Lets go for it. Thanks again for sharing what you know.

Reply #92

CDanaT — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:59:36 GMT

PICK 3

Here are the results for both PICK 3 and PICK 4 for FLORIDA since 12/16/11:

12/16/11 : 9 3 middle #s 12/20/11 = 934, 12/22/11 =439

12/23/11 : 6 0 middle #s None for the week *

12/30/11 : 5 4 middle #s 12/31/11 = 495, 01/01/12 = 545

01/06/12 : 4 1 middle #s 01/10/12 = 174,

01/13/12 : 3 0 middle #s None for the week *

01/20/12 : 8 2 middle #s None for the week *

01/27/12 : 6 8 middle #s None for the week (so far)

* = Must be in that dry

Reply #91

treese — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:59:49 GMT

ekem6078, I commend you for a great system. I've been using this type of strategy for some time but I could not figure out the p-4.

Great job and thanks for sharing. I also want to share that saturdays middle #'s work just as well. I posted some time ago a system

I called Budget Play where as you can reduce your #'s to six combo. and still have a 98% chance of hitting.This is only for limited

cash players like me who still wants a piece of the pie. By no means am I trying to change ekem... [ More ]

Reply #90

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:59:27 GMT

WTG garyo1954 Get that

Reply #89

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:47:30 GMT

OK GANG HERE IT IS PLAY 10 AND WIN PICK 4 Here's what you do. It's simular to pick 3. You use the 2nd # of your midday pick 4 draw and the 2nd# of your fridays even pick 4 draw. Now play the 1st number of midday with the two middle numbers. Then the 1st number of the even alone with the two middle numbers. Here's a example: Lets say you fridays midday pick 4 was 3672 and your fridays even was 4257 Now stack em like this:

3672

4257 Now you pairs for the week are(62) right. Now take the 3 an... [ More ]

Reply #88

lotsofwins — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:31:22 GMT

hey whit thanks for posting, believe texas is 92 pair this week, not comfortable playing all the numbers yet, but keeping track on paper for now...I might play 229, from that pair as I like doubles and seen it traveling, thanks again, and thanks Gary for back testing was just about to before I saw your post

Reply #87

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:45:17 GMT

Hey whit and robert66 watch out for that 83 pair this week. I also like the 88 pair with this one. Good Luck

Reply #86

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:41:00 GMT

Got a straight and box hit todayTennessee mid 106 box hit, and even 163 straight YES BABY I'M WORKING IT IT PARTY TIME

Reply #85

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:30:20 GMT

Thanks Robert66, Keep at it gang your'e get em

Reply #84

ekem6078 — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:28:47 GMT

Thanks whit.

Reply #83

whit — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:27:40 GMT

Amazing system, huh garyo1954? The best I've seen yet. In the first week of this month in NC, there were 4 hits in one week -- including a straight. Wish I'd known about this then...

Reply #82

whit — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:20:14 GMT

Good luck! We have a new pair to play now...

Reply #81

garyo1954 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:44:24 GMT

Whoa! 827 tonight. That would be two boxes this week.

COOL

Reply #80

garyo1954 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:03:38 GMT

Box hit for Texas last night.....780 came out as 078

Reply #79

robert66 — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:40:55 GMT

Hello Whit, Those 44 pairs are hot as h...! Haven't had a chance to play lately. Will try to put in a few numbers today.

Reply #78

whit — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:04:11 GMT

Yet another mirrow hit for NC: 9-4-9. Third time the double 4s have hit this week. This system is simply amazing....

Reply #77

garyo1954 — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 05:28:03 GMT

Tonyg, it has had one hit in Texas in the last three weeks. But keep an eye on it.

We'll go back to Friday, January 6th:

Mid - 302 Night - 950

Take the middle digit from the midday draw (big red 0) and the middle digit from the evening draw (big blue 5)....this is your pair for the week starting January 9th.

Add 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 to make your sets. You have 050, 051, 052, 053, etc.

On 13 January this system produced a straight059 midday hit.

The 13th was also Friday, so get n... [ More ]

Reply #76

tonyg — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:25:46 GMT

could somebody please give me an example for tx using this system please thxx

Reply #75

whit — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:01:15 GMT

Yes, robert66, you would use Fridays numbers, which is 44. The mirrow numbers have already hit twice, 940 on Saturday eve, and 944 on Sunday midday...

Reply #74

lakerben — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:36:44 GMT

Good idea, but doesn't work in NM.

Reply #73

robert66 — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:21:35 GMT

OK, this is Monday. Should we use Friday's mid and eve picks [mid-047]and [eve-342]to find pairs? I found the 026 in Friday 1/13/12 numbers [mid-702] and [eve-867]. Just trying to figure out what pairs to play for this week.

Reply #72

whit — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:29:58 GMT

944 hit midday in NC. I missed it again also. One thing about it though, this system is really hot. Hope it stays that way for awhile...

Reply #71

robert66 — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:45:58 GMT

Hey, missed it today also. Used the 44 pairs and came up with several combinations which included 494 for a boxed combo and didn't play. Will play tonight with the same 44 pairs. ekem6078, you are incredible! Thanks for your post,knowledge and advice on the system! Absolutely the best yet

Reply #70

whit — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:56:44 GMT

Darn, I missed it, ekem6078, maybe next time.

Your system is the best Pick 3 System that I've seen here on LP, and I've seen several of them.

Continued success to you...

Reply #69

whit — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:53:38 GMT

Wow, ekem6978 - you're on a roll! Two hits in one day! Those mirror numbers really work... Congrats again

Reply #68

ekem6078 — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 06:00:39 GMT

Refer to the above post whit. Tell me you got that 940 tonight, cause NC had the 44 pair 1-20

Reply #67

ekem6078 — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:40:31 GMT

Got another box TN 328 even Tn had the 88 pair 1-20. Watch the posts guys. Good Luck

Reply #66

ekem6078 — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:16:55 GMT

Thanks whit, how's it working for you

Reply #65

whit — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:31:28 GMT

Congrats, ekem6078! Hope you have many more...

Reply #64

ekem6078 — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:28:30 GMT

Got a box hit today in TN 813 middayTn had the 88 pair on 1-20. So like I mention in the above post Sometimes the pair will come with it's mirror number, then use 0-9 as the third number. Good luck this evening everyone

Reply #63

whit — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:26:24 GMT

Sounds good, ekem6079. I'll have to back test it and see how it goes.

Thanks for the share...

Reply #62

ekem6078 — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:56:52 GMT

Hey gang I found TWO ways that would help decrease the number of numbers to play the pick 3. As I mention in the first post of the thread . cover your bases with the third number using 0-9. If you don't wont to play that many numbers. Here's what you do. 1. You can play the digits that came from you thursdays midday/even draw along with the fridays midday/even second numbers. ex:mid on top even on bottom.

Thursday Friday

274 859

264 243 So you would play 544 547 546 542 only 4#s to play... [ More ]

Reply #61

ekem6078 — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:52:43 GMT

Thats cool whit, I've only backtested a few states. But I know that most of the time in TN. KY. and ILL sometimes the double will come and sometimes it will mirror or come with its mirror number. like 22 will come 22, 77 or 27. I just wonted everyone to be aware of this.

Reply #60

ekem6078 — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:42:14 GMT

You welcome whit.

Reply #59

whit — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:46:11 GMT

In the states that I've been back-testing, I've found that doubles hit almost the same as the regular numbers; there's no difference. The only hitch to this system (which is not the system's fault, really) is with states that have only one play on Sundays, or no plays. The numbers don't seem to hit as often for these states... But test this for yourself to be sure...

Reply #58

whit — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:41:34 GMT

Patiently waiting...

Reply #57

ekem6078 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:40:02 GMT

Remember guys if the second number of your friday mid/ev is the same, you have to decide wheter to play them or mirror then. ex 488mid 187 ev you decide wheter to play 88 or 33. most of the time the mirror will come or 83. When this happens I usually just continue to play last week pair. Good Luck to you all

Reply #56

ekem6078 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:32:19 GMT

Thanks ladystan and whit for explaning the system to tonyg. we are in this thing together and it always good to help oneanother out. So good looking out. Hey tonyg if you're haven't trouble backtesting TX I will be happy to help you out. I'll get back to you really soon about how TX doing with this ok. Good Luck all and less get paid

Reply #55

ekem6078 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:25:31 GMT

Hey guys, GOT IT FOR PICK 4, but still backtesting it. THE PICK 4 SYSTEM COMING AT YOU SOON KEEP A LOOK OUT FOR IT OK. It's time we started getting back some of our money that we have paid to our states lotteries lol lol... Later ekem6078

Reply #54

whit — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:54:41 GMT

I have not tried doing it on any other days except fridays; that's the orignal instructions.

You pick your base numbers on fridays, and you play those 10 numbers all week.

Why not try back-testing this system and see what happens? That's what I've been doing for NC...

Play on paper first, don't bet real money until you get the hang of it.

Reply #53

tonyg — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:50:09 GMT

hey whit ,

thanks a lot for the response , but do i only do this on fridays

Reply #52

whit — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:47:48 GMT

Hello tonyg,

Your last Friday's mid-day and evening numbers were 059 and 614. That makes the middle numbers 5 and 1. So you would play 51. For your third number, you would use 0-9. So you would play 510, 512, 513,514 and so on down the line.

Go back and read the first post if you're still not sure how to do it.

I have not back-tested it in TX, don't know how well it works for your state.

Hope this helps...

Reply #51

LadyStan — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:43:59 GMT

Hi tonyg,

I went back and found this.... because i wanted to know too. here it is below

Quote: Originally posted by ekem6078 on December 12, 2011 I have back tested this system in my state TN., and have won once, twice and sometimes three times a week. (I'm just keeping it real folks) by this system. After I started hitting so much, I looked at other states to see if it works for ALL STATES. And guess what IT DOES. And the best part is it doesn't go COLD THAT MUCH. It's very simple. A... [ More ]

Reply #50

tonyg — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:07:21 GMT

Could someone help me with this and tell me everything from step one , i just need to know how to do it for TX .

Reply #49

whit — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:41:13 GMT

Thanks, ekem6078, I'm really looking forward to it. If your Pick 4 works as well as the Pick 3, we're all in for quite a treat! Your Pick 3 system is the bomb! NC had a box hit yesterday - 006! I didn't play, but to know that there's a winning system around is a good thing to know for the future Thanks again for sharing this...

Reply #48

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:51:50 GMT

titto1 Hope you got these Arkansa had these, 12-2 (25 pair) came 572 12-3 12-9 (63pair) came 163 12-11 and 365 12-16 then on 12-23 (79 pair) came 970 12-28 Need I say more IT WORKS GREAT FOR ARK TOO.

Reply #47

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:22:31 GMT

I got a box hit today Tn had the 78 pair 1-13 and today 1-17 even number was 887

Reply #46

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:20:18 GMT

capu, hope you got a hit. ILL..had the 62 pair 1-13. and next day came 629 Hope you got it.

Reply #45

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:06:23 GMT

I know thats right whit. I'm working on that now. I'll let you guys know when I come up with something ok.

Reply #44

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:03:56 GMT

Sorry it took so long to get back to you capu. But yes it works for Illinois too. It works for all states.

Reply #43

ekem6078 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:02:21 GMT

You welcome whit. and Good Luck to you

Reply #42

whit — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:20:28 GMT

I did some back-testing for Illinosis; it works fairly well. Try it for yourself Wish it would work for Pick 4....

Reply #41

capu — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:52:14 GMT

would it work in illinois

Reply #40

whit — Sun, 15 Jan 2012 02:55:50 GMT

You should double-check your findings, a1agape. I backtested in NC and it works good. Like ekem6078 said, it doesn't work every week, but it does work.

Thanks for the share, ekem6078.

Reply #39

a1agape — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:54:27 GMT

This method dont look too good for NC

Reply #38

rhonda69 — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 01:31:19 GMT

yes ekem ur right it does sound simple got to test that one in ky wtg