Dice vs Lottery Games: Is it Fair to Compare 1-1 vs 1-2-3-4 . . . ?

Reply #16

KY Floyd — Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:11:35 GMT

all lottery combinations will be picked the same number of times over a long period of time

It sounds logical, but that's not what happens. Each combination has the same chance of being drawn, regardless of what has happened previously. Suppose the game has gone on long enough that 1% of the combinations have already won. Those combinations are just as likely to be drawn in the future as any of the 99% that haven't been drawn, so in the next 1000 drawings we can expect that about 1% will com... [ More ]

Reply #15

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:58:54 GMT

KY Floyd:

Thanks for well written reply. Please excuse my Invincible Stupidity.

One the one hand, all lottery combinations will be picked the same number of times over a long period of time. I am inclined to believe this idea, it sounds logical.

On the other hand, combinations that add up to 150 (in a 6/49 lottery) will hit more often because there are more of them. My response is, So? So what?? (No sarcasm implied.)

How can both statements be true at the same time? Will combinat... [ More ]

Reply #14

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:40:38 GMT

SergeM:

You give me a lot to chew on in your post. If that euphemism didn't translate, I want to say: you give me much to ponder.

Thanks,

BlueDuck

Reply #13

KY Floyd — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 05:43:06 GMT

As others have said, the answer to the first question is yes.

I'd say the second question is a completely different question because of the way you asked it. 7 and 150 aren't specific results, and can be reached in multiple ways. Even if you view 1+1 and 6+6 as sums, they can only be acheived by rolling one specific combination. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 is a specific result, and is every bit as likely as any of the specific results that add up to 150.

With the dice you can bet on the sum and it wo... [ More ]

Reply #12

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:53:26 GMT

Rdgrnr,

If only half think I'm nuts, then must be doing pretty good.

BlueDuck

Reply #11

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:53:39 GMT

Savagegoose:

Thanks for reply. I can understand why 7s show up more often in Dice, because there are six ways, but there is only one way to make the winning combination in a Lottery. Not 5 ways not 150 ways, just one way. Looking for a convincing solution.

BlueDuck

Reply #10

rdgrnr — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:38:28 GMT

You're welcome, BlueDuck.

All I can tell you is that whatever theory you decide on, there will be a few who agree and a few who will say you're nuts and both sides will cite facts and figures.

Me?

I'll just drink a big ol' glass o' whiskey.

Cuz that's what I always do.

Good luck

Reply #9

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:15:12 GMT

Hi Rdgrnr:

I'm scratching my head over this problem and my computer got bumped out before I was done so will try it again a little bit latter. Thanks for reply.

I'm not convinced it works if all those combinations in the pick three, or other lottery, get picked an equal amount over time.

BlueDuck

Reply #8

BlueDuck — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 01:36:26 GMT

Haymaker,

...... that's what I'm trying to figure out for myself, if it works or not. You can find Sums Charts by Googling Most Probable Range of Sums .

BlueDuck

Reply #7

SergeM — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:01:56 GMT

Sum-table for eyes of two six faced dices:

d+d 1 2 3 4 5 6

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

2 3 4 5 6 7 8

3 4 5 6 7 8 9

4 5 6 7 8 9 10

5 6 7 8 9 10 11

6 7 8 9 10 11 12

6x6=36

Sums Count Graph

2 1 l

3 2 ll

4 3 lll

5 4 llll

6 5 lllll

7 6 llllll

8 5 lllll

9 4 llll

10 3 lll

11 2 ll

12 1 l

Reply #6

SergeM — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:29:05 GMT

In combinations the order does not matter.

For one dice the average is 3.5! You can't get that one! I hope to have helped you to some insight to the stupidity of mathematics!

For 1 to 49, the average is 25. ...

Every combination has the same chance. It is only that you filter or count the combinations by some criteria.

Generally, I don't care about sums. You can also order the combinations where the first one is 1 to 6, the second one is 1 to 5 with 7, and so on.

I put this in... [ More ]

Reply #5

rdgrnr — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:33:55 GMT

Pick 3 Sum Chart

0 - 000

1- 001

2 - 002, 011

3 - 003, 012, 111

4 - 004, 013, 022, 112

5 - 005, 014, 023, 113, 122

6 - 006, 015, 024, 033, 114, 123, 222

7 - 007, 016, 025, 034, 115, 124, 133, 223

8 - 008, 017, 026, 035, 044, 116, 125, 134, 224, 233

9 - 009, 018, 027, 036, 045, 117, 126, 135, 144, 225, 234, 333

10 - 019, 028, 037, 046, 055, 118, 127, 136, 145, 226, 235, 244, 334

11 - 029, 038, 047, 056, 119, 128, 137, 146, 155, 227, 236, 245, 335,

Reply #4

haymaker — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:15:47 GMT

never thought of adding up my #s,i'll have to try this.

does this also work w/ a 6/40 game like cash 5

Reply #3

savagegoose — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:05:42 GMT

yeah the 150 is the most common sum, just like 7 is the most common sum on the dice. he confueses the question by mentioning 1 2 3 4 5 6 , if he wants to bee at cross purposes, he should mention all the results that sum upto 150,

i wont do the math , but on dice there are 6 results in 36, that sum to 7, and only 1 reuslt that sums to 2,

on lotoo its similar, so many sums that add to 150, and onlt 1 sum that adds to 21.

try graphing the sums

Reply #2

haymaker — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:59:18 GMT

W/ the dice,the 7 shows the most often is because it has the most possible ways of happening.

the 150 i have not a clue if can be compaired .

Reply #1

savagegoose — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:55:44 GMT

yes

Dice vs Lottery Games: Is it Fair to Compare 1-1 vs 1-2-3-4 . . . ?

BlueDuck — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:49:05 GMT

Is the reason why 7s show up most often in Dice, the same reason why 150 shows up most often as the Most Probable Sum in a 6/49 Lottery Game?

or to ask the question another way,

Is the reason why rolling a 1-1 or 6-6 infrequent for the same reason as why a draw of 1-2-3-4-5-6 or 44-45-46-47-48-49 is infrequent in Lottery?

Still trying to get my head around this one. Your insights appreciated.