Test Drawings

Reply #21

Ronnie316 — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:34:14 GMT

But how do they test the test to prove that the balls are not acting in a bias way

Reply #20

Ronnie316 — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:26:17 GMT

If the balls were bias in any way, players could use that bias to get BETTER ODDS.

Reply #19

mediabrat — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:06:46 GMT

Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?

I thought the answer to that one was rather well known. They're testing both the machines and the balls for bias. If they were simply checking the machine for functionality, one or two would be sufficient, but the tests are more thorough than that.

Als... [ More ]

Reply #18

grwurston — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:37:30 GMT

Texas uses the balls for everything. If you click on results in the blue bar on top, then do the drop down to state lottery report card, it tells you what every game is in every state whether it's ball or rng.

Reply #17

karinda — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:41:36 GMT

All good questions. I wish I knew the answers to some of them.

I think the pre-test with unmarked balls is a great idea, if they are only

checking for equipment malfunctions, but it appears that there's more

to it than that. I'm grateful to the friend here who brought this to my

attention because it sure puts a different light on the way I see the

numbers.

Reply #16

karinda — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:30:31 GMT

Thanks yoho and all who responded to the question.

I was unaware that pre-draws were even conducted to the extent that they are.

This was already mentioned, but when I did a search for pre-draw

results information, Texas was the only state I found that makes

the information available to the public. I'm not sure whether they use a computerized

system, or the good-ole-air-ball system. ;-)

It does put a different light on the drawings

though, in my opinion; in that whatev... [ More ]

Reply #15

karinda — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:05:16 GMT

Thanks CinCin. We don't have computerized draws in NJ. I guess what I don't understand is

why even have them? If the system works 3 times in a row, there's no guarantee the actual

drawing, whatever that is will work.

Reply #14

karinda — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:00:07 GMT

Very good point. I'm not sure I understand why they conduct test drawings. Why not just draw the numbers and if there is a system failure, draw them over again

Reply #13

grwurston — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 23:50:00 GMT

Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?

Also, why do so many states not want anyone to know the pre-draw results? My guess is they don't want system / pattern players to figure anything out. But then they could just use unmarked balls, right?

The one point they kept making in the video was mai... [ More ]

Reply #12

mediabrat — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:06:23 GMT

Maryland has just had 6 double 8's in the last 8 days in the live drawings. Five of them were 886,688,688,188,188. Is that just random playing itself out? That would raise an alarm in the pre-test, but not the live drawings?

Consider that each live drawing is preceded by these multiple pre-tests. So no, it wouldn't raise a red flag because it's still spaced out enough that it's considered random.

What I would like to know is, how they decide how many pre-tests to do, and what determines... [ More ]

Reply #11

grwurston — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:13:21 GMT

I don't know anything about calculus. I was just saying, sometimes it makes you wonder...

Reply #10

yoho — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:07:20 GMT

I'm not sure how exactly they do pre-tests, but I think I have answers to some of your questions, or at least it might make things slightly clearer.

There's no way they can know whether it really was random or not 100% of the time. In fact, it could be that the balls that they end up using were

actually rigged, but somehow randomly came up random during the pre-tests.

But, if you have any knowledge of calculus, I suggest you search up something call confidence intervals , the... [ More ]

Reply #9

grwurston — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:59:55 GMT

I'm sure the numbers we've picked have come up in the pre-draws more times than we'll ever know.

My concern is where they said if a number comes up too many times in the pre-test it raises a flag for them to change the ballset. How do we /they know if a number comes up say 5 times, it's not just random playing itself out?

Maryland has just had 6 double 8's in the last 8 days in the live drawings. Five of them were 886,688,688,188,188. Is that just random playing itself out? That would rais... [ More ]

Reply #8

maringoman — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:51:24 GMT

Wow, I didn't know it took such a long time and effort to get the winning numbers. Is that why Iowa uses Illinois's pick 4 numbers instead of drawing their own numbers? I can see states in the future using numbers drawn by one organization for their local games. GTech must be strategizing on this move. Anyways I would be devastated if my Mass Cash numbers came during the pre draws.

Reply #7

grwurston — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:21:26 GMT

There was a past topic on predraws and at that time it was found states will have up to six pre and post draws for the pick 3/4. How many depends on the state. Someone, I forget who said that Texas is the only state that publishes the predraw results.

Here in Md. on Comcast, on one of the video on demand channels a couple years ago, they had a short video of how they get the machines ready for the drawings. There was a security guy /auditor and two others. They went to a room outside of the l... [ More ]

Reply #6

CinCin — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:37:00 GMT

Karlinda,

I'm glad you approached this subject. I've often wondered about test draws, especially pre recorded computerized draws. The one lottery I questioned is a computerized draw and pre recorded to air on draw night. I've often wondered how many pre recorded test draws get approved by the auditor. I'd read where there are 4 draws done, but what I really want to know is how many of the recordings get approved. I'd written the lottery a couple of times asking this, and no one has ever resp... [ More ]

Reply #5

maringoman — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:25:48 GMT

Suppose they usually do three test drawings then the real draw for Pick 6 Lotto and for some reason or other the first three test drawings were not convincing and for that reason the auditor decided a forth test drawing was necessary. Now imagine if your numbers happened to match those of the forth test drawing which on a normal day would have won you the JP. I'm saying that it would be too messy to let the public know what the test draws are. People would be suing right left and center...questi... [ More ]

Reply #4

karinda — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:41:28 GMT

Welcome. Thank you Todd. .

Reply #3

Todd — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:54:30 GMT

Great information karinda! Thanks for posting it.

I would guess that if you really want to press the matter you could request the predraw numbers with an open records request. If the predraw numbers are recorded, then you should be able to get them one way or another.

Reply #2

karinda — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:08:47 GMT

Thanks Todd. I just called the NJ Lottery.

They do test drawings in New Jersey in the presence of an auditor, but the numbers are not made available to the public.

Test draws are done for all numbers draw games prior to the live drawings.

Test draws are also done for Powerball and Mega-Millions, but I didn't ask if that information is available.

I was interested in where the drawings are done for those games because I didn't know.

Mega-Millions is drawn in Georgia and Powerball is... [ More ]

Reply #1

Todd — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:06:52 GMT

Did you try writing to the lottery? They are usually pretty responsive.

If you write to them and get a response, please let us know what they say.

Test Drawings

karinda — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:51:35 GMT

Does anyone know if the test drawing results are available for the State of New Jersey and where they can be found?

I'm interested in knowing where the test draw results are available for other states as well, but my primary focus

is New Jersey.

Many thanks and may you each be blessed with winning picks!!!

Karinda