Mathematicians shocked to find pattern in "random" prime numbers

Reply #40

amber123 — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 04:24:17 GMT

You've given me some great ideas.

I kind of get the idea of what you're doing. Been trying my own version. Looking for coincidences.

Florida,

March 18 eve-618

March 19 eve-050

Fri, Dec 18, 2015 1-2-6 6-2-0 4-1-1-8 2-2-8-5

Thu, Dec 17, 2015 9-5-2 1-5-8 3-8-8-7 7-7-6-1

Wed, Dec 16, 2015 0-8-0 8-2-9 7-4-3-7 1-2-6-9

Tue, Dec 15, 2015 6-6-9 9-5-8 0-4-3-8 7-2-2-7

Mon, Dec 14, 2015 8-2-6 8-8-0 7-1-5-0 5-6-1-4

Sun, Dec 13, 2015 8-9-4 8-0-4 2-1-8-6 9-2-0-7... [ More ]

Reply #39

elios311 — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 01:14:20 GMT

Oh right my bad.

I did some math and if I didn't make any mistakes, the chances of that happening by luck are slightly over 16%. Which is about 1 in 6.

Reply #38

ArizonaDream — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:26:12 GMT

the thread he linked to is for Florida

Reply #37

elios311 — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 23:37:31 GMT

Am I looking at the wrong results page? Because I got 910 at Pennsylvania evening Pick 3 for today. Not 954.

Reply #36

factorX — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 23:04:00 GMT

Yes, I posted it this morning and it won. I just picked the wrong number of the two, $#@! I can be forgiven for picking the wrong one of of the two since I highlighted them both (I hope).

Here's a copy of the chart I posted.

02/20/2016 669,963 | 12/15/2015 669,958

02/21/2016 979,598 | 12/16/2015 080,829

02/22/2016 670,658 | 12/17/2015 952,158

02/23/2016 678,765 | 12/18/2015 126,620

02/24/2016 273,239 | 12/19/2015 988,020

02/25/2016 742,175 | 12/20/2015 452,175

02/26/2016... [ More ]

Reply #35

ArizonaDream — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 02:44:21 GMT

factorX,

Pretty impressive that you were able to find a pattern like that, even if it doesn't work every time

Sat, Mar 19, 2016 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Evening 0-7-0

Fri, Feb 26, 2016 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Day 0-6-4

Wed, Apr 30, 2014 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Day 0-7-0

Tue, Apr 8, 2014 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Day 0-6-4

Mon, Mar 10, 2014 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Evening 0-6-4

Thu, Feb 21, 2013 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Day 0-7-0

Sat, Sep 29, 2012 Pennsylvania Pick 3 Day 0-7-0... [ More ]

Reply #34

amber123 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:37:35 GMT

Florida, Draw a diagonal line, leads to the winning number. I have to back test to see how often this happens.

March 5 eve-761

March 6 eve-409

Another diagonal line

March 2 eve-917

March 3 eve-739

2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23

29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67

71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109

113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167

173 179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227

229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277

281 283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337

Reply #33

elios311 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:08:08 GMT

Correction in the last paragraph; Except that the pattern in NON RANDOM sequences will require a larger draw history to coincidentally appear should read: Except that the pattern in RANDOM sequences will require a larger draw history to coincidentally appear (I couldn't edit anymore).

Also I should add that the reason mathematicians are shocked in this prime number case is that the pattern here in prime numbers required no cherry picking and therefore can't be random as in random sequences yo... [ More ]

Reply #32

elios311 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:24:24 GMT

I don't really understand what your question is. You seem to have highlighted the same sequences, then de highlighted those that are not equally spread apart. One of the examples on your table is 857 that also occurs three times but isn't the same distance from any other repeating sequence so it isn't highlighted.

So is the question how is it possible that by random chance these two repeating sequences happen to be equally spread apart? If that's it then the answer is easy. Its called cherry... [ More ]

Reply #31

amber123 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:03:02 GMT

Seems to me unless you have a program that looks for these groupings, it would be one monumental task to do this pen and paper. I'd have to look back at each individual winner and it's history of 30 days and list each winner in that 30 day period. Then look for matches.

Using 618 as an example, I'd have to go to each of those dates and see the 30 days after that number came out and list each winner mid and eve. There are 14 times 618 came out straight in Florida ever, which means I'd have 14... [ More ]

Reply #30

amber123 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:43:42 GMT

Below is an excerpt of yours. It shows 636 from 9 days apart. The winner was 709 and you had 780, pretty close. But why choose 9 days, and in your first example on the chart above there's a more considerable distance than 9 days?

This chart helps show why I think 780 is such a hot pick for today. The 636 - 780 thing has been going on since way back and it's continued throughout the history of the VA P3. All we need is a little luck today. There are very few number pairs that have even synchro... [ More ]

Reply #29

amber123 — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:32:55 GMT

Wow, you got 070 straight yesterday with just two sets. That's impressive.

Can you do a step by step for Florida so I can understand exactly what you are doing? Thanks.

Reply #28

factorX — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:43:35 GMT

I'm a maths moron, but I think you guys are over-thinking (at least when it comes to the Pick3 games). After reading this thread, I set out to find a fresh example of a simple pattern in the numbers and it only took me two days to find one. I publicly called last night's Pennsylvania P3 result using software that pulls the world's simplest pattern out of the numbers. It looks like this:

02/26/2016 064;236 | 04/08/2014 064;182 | 09/07/2012 098;064

02/27/2016 337;315 | 04/09/2014 196;528... [ More ]

Reply #27

elios311 — Sat, 19 Mar 2016 15:42:39 GMT

In case anyone wants to simulate this coin toss paradox you can download the application from here. Just run the CoinTossParadoxSimulator.exe. If it doesn't work, run the setup.exe first.

You may need to make exclusions in your antivirus software. In case you need to run the setup.exe, if the setup finishes with an error, don't worry It's just an antivirus quirk.

Reply #26

Luminus — Sat, 19 Mar 2016 12:07:50 GMT

Oh well.

Reply #25

KY Floyd — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 22:17:00 GMT

Testing will confirm it, but simple logic explains why it has to be true.

Both Bob and Alice need to start by getting the first heads, so that part will be exactly equal. They also both have the same 50% chance of success on the next flip. It's what happens the 50% of the time that they fail on the next flip that results in the difference.

When Alice fails to get a tails she already has the first heads that she needs in order to get a heads followed by a tails. That means she can succeed w... [ More ]

Reply #24

sully16 — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:10:38 GMT

The Devine number 1.618

Reply #23

elios311 — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:10:34 GMT

That's a crackpot. Explained some time ago by Karl Lietchy.

Reply #22

Luminus — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 16:14:32 GMT

Maybe or maybe not. I read about a mathematician who claims that you can predict lottery numbers more likely to be drawn:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2585157/You-CAN-predict-lottery-numbers-Brazilian-mathematician-claims.html

Reply #21

rundown99 — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:48:15 GMT

The truth is that the numbers are ONLY used to identify the balls and distinguish the balls from one another. No mathematical formula is going to predict the Powerball lottery game. For example, the balls selected from Wednesday's Powerball drawing were 10, 12, 13, 46, 50 and red ball 21. if you picked 9, 11, 14, 45, 49, and red ball 20, you were no closer to the jackpot that if someone had picked 1,2,3,4,5 and Powerball 10. You either matched those balls or you didn't.

Reply #20

elios311 — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:19:02 GMT

Yes, I just wrote an application to test it and am getting 4 for Alice and 6 for Bob on average. I will post it here as soon as my no links restriction is lifted. You can also test it yourself by simply tossing a coin, but it might take a while to get a large enough sample to calculate averages.

But you don't really need to test to know this. As explained earlier, Alice's trials don't reset whereas Bob's do. It has nothing to do with coin's physical characteristics.

Reply #19

Luminus — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:01:10 GMT

How do you know? Has this been tested? I can't see why that would be, since the head and tail are just engraved on the coin. Technically, both sides are equal, meaning there is no head or tail.

Reply #18

elios311 — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:01:36 GMT

That's only an added effect. Even if we had a fair coin whose both sides weighted exactly the same, Alice would still be winning. Even if we said that Bob needs two tails instead of two heads, with a fair coin, Alice would still be winning.

Reply #17

Luminus — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:50:05 GMT

Actually, the head and tail don't have an equal chance of appearing. The head side is slightly heavier, which is why it tends to land with that side up more often.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gamblers-take-note-the-odds-in-a-coin-flip-arent-quite-5050-145465423/?no-ist

Reply #16

elios311 — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 11:03:34 GMT

It's one of those counter intuitive logic problems that make no sense at first, but when you do the math it makes every sense. Like the Monty Hall problem or the birthday problem.

The solution here is quite simple;

If Alice fails to get a tail after a head, she only needs to toss again and keep doing it until she gets a tail. Bob on the other hand, if he doesn't get a head after his first head, needs to start over again. Alice's trials don't reset after a failure, whereas Bob's trials do.... [ More ]

Reply #15

ArizonaDream — Wed, 16 Mar 2016 01:07:45 GMT

I was reading another article on the same subject https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160313-mathematicians-discover-prime-conspiracy/ and came across this interesting tidbit --

Soundararajan was drawn to study consecutive primes after hearing a lecture at Stanford by the mathematician Tadashi Tokieda, of the University of Cambridge, in which he mentioned a counterintuitive property of coin-tossing: If Alice tosses a coin until she sees a head followed by a tail, and Bob tosses a coin until he s... [ More ]

Reply #14

Stack47 — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:13:36 GMT

Thanks

Reply #13

Kola — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:40:48 GMT

Thanks for the article Luminus.

Based on my research in the Pick 3, I believe that the Pick 3,4,5,6, keno and jackpot games are replete with pattern. So as opposed to proof, the article is more of a cautionary narrative for me and a reminder to keep en garde on two fronts.

Guard my tongue: To be slow in making certain(not all) statements about the lottery concerning what's true and possible and what's untrue and impossible. I wouldn't want to squelch the potential talents of very impressi... [ More ]

Reply #12

Luminus — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:06:54 GMT

I don't have a theory, other than what I'm doing in the Take 5 forum. I just discovered the article, right as I was preparing to go to work, so I thought I'd post it.

Reply #11

JADELottery — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:36:15 GMT

Nothing shocks us anymore.

Last thing to shock us was the electroshock treatments we were given as a kid.

Even then, all it did was piss us off.

Buh-dzzzz....

Reply #10

Raven62 — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 13:26:30 GMT

168

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/178988

Reply #9

rcbbuckeye — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:41:58 GMT

Interesting. While I am not a mathematician in any way, I don't see this in correlation to lottery numbers, at least those drawn by balls from a machine. That is random. Numbers drawn by RNG....random is more or less a product of programming.

One could use prime numbers to select numbers to play, but I still don't see where that is any better or worse than any other method of choosing numbers.

Reply #8

ArizonaDream — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:27:11 GMT

Do computer RNGs use prime numbers in any way in their number generation schemes

Reply #7

Tialuvslotto — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:00:42 GMT

Unfortunately, I don't think this is exploitable in a smaller lottery such as the P3 or P4. The reason is that there is a limited group of Primes and a limited group of combinations containing those Primes that can be drawn with the 'k-tuple conjecture' fixed at 3 or 4. In the larger lotteries there is more room to see this effect, but still very limited compared to the trillions of combinations that they checked.

I would love to have some math whiz prove me wrong, though

Reply #6

SergeM — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:40:30 GMT

Explain your pattern theory and the link to prime numbers

Reply #5

SergeM — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:39:57 GMT

What pattern

Reply #4

SergeM — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:38:23 GMT

Long ago they found simple patterns by ... but ... .

Reply #3

JAMORA — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 05:56:53 GMT

Interesting...thanks for posting...

Reply #2

Stack47 — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 03:36:17 GMT

How many of the 1000 pick-3 numbers are prime numbers

Reply #1

amber123 — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 03:08:17 GMT

I had proof a long time ago. But you have to ask yourself why the mathematicians were shocked..lol

Mathematicians shocked to find pattern in "random" prime numbers

Luminus — Tue, 15 Mar 2016 03:01:57 GMT

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2080613-mathematicians-shocked-to-find-pattern-in-random-prime-numbers/

So, is this proof that there's a pattern to lottery numbers