Seeing patterns where none exist

Reply #93

Rick G — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:31:12 GMT

Greg, allow me to extrapolate on Gail's advice... The trend is your friend and the bend is the end...let the pattern be your lantern. I don't know jack squat, but that's how I play it.

Reply #92

WIN D — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:24:12 GMT

I would just like to point

Reply #91

Andrew — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:42:45 GMT

Reply #90

Rick G — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:11:25 GMT

There is one factor that has not been brought up in this discussion. It is an intangible factor....there is no scientific data to corroborate it but it's a part of our existence. Many of you will disagree with me on this one. I'm as analytical as the next guy, but there are forces that go beyond analysis. It's called the human factor.Are we, as sentient beings, able to influence the outcome of dvents that happen around us in some as yet unknown fashion? I don't know. This is a whole other... [ More ]

Reply #89

Andrew — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:32:43 GMT

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Reply #88

Greg — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:02:53 GMT

As Gail Howard put it, The trend is your friend .

Reply #87

Rick G — Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:38:47 GMT

Thomas, that was exactly what I was getting at, and I agree with you that if a coin toss came up heads 29 times in a row, you bet I'd bet heads on the 30th toss. Not until the equilibrium started changing would I change my bet and then I'd stick with the equilibrium change until the scales were balanced, so to speak. As I mentioned before, it might be a very minute advantage for the player but it is an advantage and in this crazy game you're losing 50% of your money to the state before you ev... [ More ]

Reply #86

WIN D — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:03:14 GMT

I think Prometheus must have the patience of Job ! He must have cared more than most.

Reply #85

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:52:25 GMT

To be honest, If I saw 29 heads in a row, I would bet heads again. I would be thinking that maybe it's not random.

Reply #84

WIN D — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:44:55 GMT

Prometheus said that the probability of tossing 30 Heads in a row was over 3 Billion to one. According to T.C. if he showed up on the 29th. toss he would buy a quick- pick, and have just a good a chance as anyone. Most of the people on this forum have a real hard time understanding that. Yes, the odds on the 29th toss are still Fifty- percent, and the odds are the same a million tosses from now, still fifty percent but that 30th toss is no fifty-per cent proposition bet. The chances are, shall

Reply #83

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:19:53 GMT

Oh, sorry Rick, now I understand what you are saying. Ok, using a computer program I will now flip a coin 100,000 times.50124 heads, 49876 tails. I did it 2 million times. It always came up pretty much even. Flipping 100 flips at a time the heads and tails are a little further apart. At one point I got 61 heads and 39 tails. The more you flip, the more even it gets. If this is what you are saying, I agree.

Reply #82

Bryan — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:11:17 GMT

Quote: O

Reply #81

Rick G — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:03:00 GMT

I don't care if you toss a coin 1,000,000 times and it comes up heads each and every time, you will be profitable in betting tails the next 1,000,000 tosses. This is fact and I can't continue this discussion any further unless you recognize this, Thomas. Because at that point you are not understanding randomness and any further discussion would be useless because it defies logic. But I respect your opinion and like I said before you have every right to it.

Reply #80

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:26 GMT

I am treating the odd and even numbers as coin flips. 1st draw is even, 1/2 odds, 2nd draw even, 1/2x1/2 or 1/4,3rd draw even 1/8, 4th draw 1/32. Isn't this correct

Reply #79

Prometheus1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:29:09 GMT

One point is this.........one point. If you can find an example of 9 or 10 anything in a row in your draw history......and you start to bet the other way.........I'll kiss your ass ....as you said to me........if your not closer to the end than the beginning of that pattern. Find one. High Low...odd even....what ever and where ever there is a 50/50 group. We will start to bet on number 7.....8.....or 9 .....and if we don't hit the other group running out the back door ..... we might not hit th... [ More ]

Reply #78

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:23:54 GMT

Wow that was pretty heavy stuff

Reply #77

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:12:39 GMT

And may the laws of probabilit

Reply #76

Prometheus1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:00:03 GMT

I know........I got that part ad nauseum . Just a thought. Never mind. Thought it might be interesting for us to change venue. Sometimes a change of scenery can be refreshing and stimulate a more ............ahh.....never mind. Lots of luck

Reply #75

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:59:13 GMT

Pick 3, SC June 2, 3rd digit even for the eve drawing for six draws. 2nd draw even 1/4, 3rd draw even 1/8, 4th draw even 1/16, 5th draw even 1/32, 6th draw even 1/64. So on the 5th draw the chances of an odd number was 97%, but the 6th draw was even. We can both find examples where probability works or doesn't work, so what's the point.

Reply #74

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:47:15 GMT

I'm not saying you can't find patterns within past draws. I'm saying you can use past draws to predict future drawings.

Reply #73

Prometheus1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:37:02 GMT

Thomas, here is a real world question that might really shine some light on the subject. Do you have access to your states pick 3 database? Perhaps if we could point to some actual examples it would help. Are you in S.C. ? Then we will be on the same page.

Reply #72

Rick G — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:06:12 GMT

Thomas,That is where I agree with you 100%. No one can predict a single dvent unless you are a bona fide psychic and I've yet to see one in my lifetime...where hits outnumber misses.But you have brought a great point up for discussion, one of the best I've seen on these forums and you have created a lot of interest and got our minds working. You've had me pondering this all afternoon and I thank you for bringing it up. No one is right or wrong here in the short run of dvents. In the long run... [ More ]

Reply #71

Rick G — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:57:30 GMT

Thanks for the chart Prometheus. Now if one were to look at this chart they'd see that number 6 came in more often than the other digits. Would it be wise to play the number 6 digit today? I don't know...I would then look at where the 18 hits over expected norm came from. Did it come recently or 500 hits ago?. Is that surplus of 18 hits becoming greater as time goes by or smaller? Chances are that 1000 draws from now that digit 6 will have an 18 occurrence deficit compared to the norm. At... [ More ]

Reply #70

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:55:01 GMT

Rick, I agree with what you say, up to a point. Trends and patterns are seen in hindsight. No matter what trend you see in hindsight, you can't predict the very next drawing. You can't predict a coin toss, with only two possible outcomes.(Well, there's actually 4 outcomes) You surely can't predict a lottery draw.

Reply #69

Prometheus1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:45:35 GMT

Here is another part of that Systems post in June.....Fig. #1 Sure. The topic on this post was about Pick-3. It was a system posted to help predict the possible outcomes of the next draw, based on one thing . The chart above contains all 10 of the digits in the pick-3 game and list those digits at the bottom of the chart. The number 300 to the left of the chart is static, and was the Expected or Predicted total of hits that would come in the future. Based on previous data. The numbers at the to... [ More ]

Reply #68

Prometheus1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:42:56 GMT

Rick G ....I already tried the graph approach on another forum ...the systems section. That was the last time it was brought up. Thomas was to.... do some research and get back to me but I never got a reaction to the graph. This was in June so ...... Here it is again. Thomas Covenant, tell us about white gold .Then,I would be curious about your observations on this results chart. This is a frequency chart for Georgia. It is a beautiful thing.This is an actual results breakdown over almost th... [ More ]

Reply #67

Rick G — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:24:32 GMT

Thomas,I think you failed to see my point. Where n is an unknown number of occurrences, random occurrences have to equal out based on the laws of randomness. It might take a million occurrences for it to happen, but it will happen. This is the heart of the concept of randomness and the rule of nature in general. For every action there is an opposite but equal reaction. You cannot refute this basic concept of our universe. This concept has ruled the universe for 12+ billion years.A simple e... [ More ]

Reply #66

WIN D — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:36:18 GMT

Thomas a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You are mixing apples and oranges. The one thing you don't seem to understand is the word EVENT. In the world of probabiltiy an dvent can be one time or it can be many times within the dvent. In a one Coin Toss dvent the odds are 50/50 ofcourse, and the probability is the same. In a Two coin toss dvent the odds are 50/50 .........., and the probability changes based on the results of first toss. In a Ten coin toss dvent the odds are 50/50 ........... [ More ]

Reply #65

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:54:29 GMT

The gambler's fallacy is the mistaken notion that the odds for something with a fixed probability increase or decrease depending upon recent occurrences. In other words, tails can't be 3 times overdue. Type Gambler's Fallacy in google and you will see many examples of this.

Reply #64

Rick G — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:33:53 GMT

Good thread here folks...I'm not a probability or statistics expert, but I've studied games of chance all my life.In a coin toss you have a 50/50 chance each toss. If one tosses heads six times in a row then tails is 3 times overdue. At some point, in n number of future tosses the tails will have to make up those three losses due to the laws of random numbers. If one were to toss coins after the 6th toss and start counting at that point they would toss the coins n number of draws until the t... [ More ]

Reply #63

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:25:59 GMT

I don't see how. A bowling ball and a feather falls at the same rate in a vacuum. Weight(at least weight as close as the difference of paint) isn't a factor in that type of lottery machine.

Reply #62

golotto — Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:06:57 GMT

i wonder if the balls

Reply #61

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:00:54 GMT

I'll answer the question now, I'm about to go to bed, (I hope, my daughter has a bad case of poision ivy, she'll be up all night scratching).The answer is: It depends on how you look at it. If you treat it as sets, then HTHHTHTTTH is more likely. If you treat it as individual flips, both are equally likely. It would be 1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2*1/2 for both examples.

Reply #60

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:16:20 GMT

In flipping coins, which is most likely to occur?HHHHHHHTTT OR HTHHTHTTTH

Reply #59

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:55:25 GMT

I have always understood the concept. Let's go over a few things. Past draws do not affect future draws.This is still true. What we ended up discussing was probability within sets of random numbers. The odds for each single drawing is still 1/1000. You keep saying that Probability is where math meets common sense(or something like that). It's the opposite. Probability has nothing to do with common sense.

Reply #58

Prometheus1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:34 GMT

Now you are making me crazy. Now...you do seem... all of a sudden to understand the idea. This sure doesn't match up to what you said in the beginning. You said that past draws don't have anything to do with the next draw. ????????????? And I said they do. That was it. My only Bold statement was ... When you use math and probabilities it will increase your chances. And you said they don't. That was the part I didn't comprehend your saying. Now it seems that you don't disagree with that at a... [ More ]

Reply #57

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:25:51 GMT

Who said I don't know any

Reply #56

visiondude — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:32:16 GMT

thanks prometheus for stepping

Reply #55

Prometheus1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:17:02 GMT

Good I'll quit right now......... I'm ahead. Pay up baby face ! Seriously, you are frustrating but I think it's fascinating that someone of your obvious abilities could have escaped any interest in math or probability. At first I thought you were putting us on. Now, I think its funny. It does bother me that in a Forum full of inexperienced players.......and there are many....that they will waste there chances on quick-picks. I'm talking about pick 3/4 . Hell....I do quick picks on everything el... [ More ]

Reply #54

hypersoniq — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:05:01 GMT

remember, a single win proves nothing but luck... for a system to be proven, it needs to be repeatable...

Reply #53

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:54:48 GMT

If you make one dollar more than you spent with your picks in a months time, I will kiss your ass and give you three days to draw a crowd. It can't get any simpler than that.Prometheus, If you are taking this personally, then I will stop. I am just disagreeing with your opinion, I have nothing againist you. From what I have read, you seem like an intellegent and thoughtful person. Tell you what, I start a poll.

Reply #52

Pick-4_Master — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:23:37 GMT

Nicely put Prometheus1 I understand where your coming from.

Reply #51

Prometheus1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:18:33 GMT

Your a lost cause Thomas. You would have said the same thing if I hit today.I would say the same if I were you and did't believe in anything. When I do hit, you will say the same thing and I knew that going in. So this means nothing to someone who does not believe in probabilities. How can I prove I was playing in the right half of the pool and not the intire pool. This wasn't my idea and I know that because it's stupid. If anyone thought they could make their point this way they are going to be... [ More ]

Reply #50

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:54:59 GMT

No, your chances were still 1/1000. Going by what you say, your chances are 1/500 if it was an odd, and 1/1000 if it was even. If you want to calculate odds after the draw, I would say the odds were 0/1000, because you lost.

Reply #49

Prometheus1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:27:23 GMT

The midday was 753. The 3rd. position was an odd digit. There was in fact over a 90% probability of an odd in this position today. This one fact alone allows a person to start with better odds. Any straights within the thousand that do not end in an odd digit could be eliminated. There are only so many straight combinations within the 1000 that allow this pattern. They are OOO OEO EOO and so a person could have virtually subtracted all combinations of EEE OEE EOE OEE before they make their choi... [ More ]

Reply #48

Prometheus1 — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:47:51 GMT

I am playing from a pool of 52 numbers. They are all the single digit sums. I am playing 20 of these for 5 days. I will change the order according to the recent picks. Today I will bet all odd digit picks in 3rd. position. The odds are over 90% the 3rd..position will be an odd digit. Today I will play 2 numbers not in the single sum pool. one all even. The twenty I will play today from the pool are : 111 011 133 223 611 117 441 022 221 123 325 435 603 045 261 071 421 601 333 137 Ga. mi... [ More ]

Reply #47

askjeeves — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:28:22 GMT

You can't back away from the challenge Prome. Please WALK the WALK and NOT just TALK the TALK.

Reply #46

visiondude — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:13:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Prometheus1 on July 11, 2003Right now, I am betting on a group of single digit sums in my state that will hit in a few days. I will win money based on pattern and history. That's the point. I won't risk it on a bunch of quick picks. I'll ajust my bet level each day until they hit, and I'll win in the next 5 days or less. That's the point! That's an opportunity based on pattern history.prometheus,here is your chance to show us non believers that you really have somet... [ More ]

Reply #45

visiondude — Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:56:29 GMT

OK thomas, i can't leave you

Reply #44

hypersoniq — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:18:15 GMT

Powerball (Since it went 1/53+1/42 in 2002)... #20 comes up as PB ONCE between Jackpot hits. It only skipped ONE time... it did hit as PB 28 times since 1997...27 times in non-jackpot winning weeks.No guarantees, of course... but I'm definitely going to be playing 20 as the PB for a few weeks... and as soon as it comes out I'm switching to 35... a bit harder to define than 20, but it has been the PB as many times as 20 since 10/9/2002.Not rocket science, just observation based on the draw histor... [ More ]

Reply #43

Calscorp — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:54:54 GMT

I really liked count the dots. I had not gotten to this discussion. Very interesting. We all still have to consider everyone is entitled to their opinions. And you can not change their minds. Say, a person has an edge on winning and they actually win and show the people on the forum their proof of how they did it. Then, you might have a chance of swaying them to your side. Everyone has a right to express their view. And I do enjoy everyone's views. That is what makes this forum so great.... [ More ]

Reply #42

JAZZY JASPER — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:33:03 GMT

Hmmn

Reply #41

golotto — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:25:01 GMT

i h

Reply #40

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:45:05 GMT

Why does anyone debate about anything? Forums usually inspire debate and discussion. I haven't called anyone stupid, or insane. I haven't sent anyone gay porn in their email. I don't think nor have I said that lottery system sellers are crooks taking advantage of the hopeless. Frankly, on a personal level, I don't care how you spend your money. It's a debate. A rather good debate, because it involves not only facts, but personal belief and faith. Had I realized that this was some people's religi... [ More ]

Reply #39

lottoscorp — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:44:45 GMT

Reply #38

Teufellj — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:32:17 GMT

Thomas Covenant, are you by any chance writing a desertation or an essay for someone? I am well aware that you like to argue about hot air, its rise and fall or some such other notion but really, why are you trying to pin down any fallacy or personal beliefs? Since you are athiest in the belief that patterns don't exhist then may I ask, Where is the skin off of your nose on the dialogue? You have had your answer and you still conjure discrepencies. Just WHAT IS THE BEEF? We or I, didn't tell... [ More ]

Reply #37

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:15:30 GMT

>Even if someone comes

Reply #36

JAZZY JASPER — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:03:37 GMT

Thaaa..s right

Reply #35

rundown99 — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:46:00 GMT

Even if someone comes out with a miraculous way to predict winning numbers, they are NOT going to tell anybody a damn thing.

Reply #34

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:15:59 GMT

Knock it off prometheus, you know what I am asking. Past draws don't affect future draws. That's a law of probability. Period. Anything to the contrary only exists in the mind of people trying to sell lottery software. I am asking how is it possible that past draws affect future draws. I don't know, it just does won't cut it. In every prediction contest I have seen, everyone loses money. Even the great Steve Player loses money. What I'm getting from a lot of people is by using lottery system... [ More ]

Reply #33

golotto — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:08:00 GMT

yes, water fre

Reply #32

Prometheus1 — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:50:20 GMT

You have it backwards anyway. First comes the research. Then one can fly in the face of popular opinion here in this lottery forum armed with facts. Nu...uh! and does not are not valid or very effective points. When you post in the middle of conversations like Barney Fife, running into the street yelling..... Citizens aaa..Rest Citizens aaa....Rest, with nothing to back it up but more inane questions.... well then.... I'm sorry, in the future it will be hard to take your object... [ More ]

Reply #31

Prometheus1 — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:34:53 GMT

We already told you ! Thought you were going to research and get back. What have you found to support your statements.......? I took you at your word. I'll do some research and get back to you. Thomas Covanant June 2003

Reply #30

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:11:36 GMT

How does past draws affect future draws

Reply #29

rundown99 — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:37:59 GMT

Actually, water freezes at 32 degrees F.

Reply #28

Prometheus1 — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:22:04 GMT

Teufelli, We're making progress with Thomas. When he started this topic, Seeing patterns where none exist he was in complete denile. Now he's saying if they do, it doesn't matter or it's moot . We're making progress. As I stated before, People see patterns where they do exist too Here, I can make a pattern prediction and I will keep the example large enough and broad enough, that it will be too obvious....Then after you acknowledge that patterns do exist......again, and after you acknowleg... [ More ]

Reply #27

Greg — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:58:51 GMT

Out of the last 12 drawings, the number 26 has come out 7 times. It hit mostly after 1 or 2 games consecutively except for when it started its winning streak by winning 3 games in a row.Statistical variation? Perhaps [technically]. Hot number to anticipate ? Definitely, until it runs out of steam or loses 3-5 drawings in a row.Consequence of not wheeling #26 or including it in your combinations the past 12 drawings? No chance for a jackpot for 7 out of the 12 previous drawings.In random... [ More ]

Reply #26

Andrew — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:57:00 GMT

Thomas,I have seen you debate this issue time and time again. Your blatant statement that you can't predict is just too blanket for me. ANY system that reduces the PLAYER's chances of winning is a successful prediction.Via computers, we can predict where a hurricane WILL NOT hit. Also via computers, we can predict with a certain degree of certainty that a Hurricane WILL hit in some general location. Via computers, your local weather man gives you a forecast for the weekend. Like it or not... [ More ]

Reply #25

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:13:17 GMT

Teufellj, whether or not patterns exist is really a moot point. Even if a pattern exists, you can't predict it.

Reply #24

JADELottery — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 03:18:36 GMT

Order is a subset of Chaos.

Reply #23

Teufellj — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:03:57 GMT

I like the Count the dots, it says a lot to the people who don't step out of the box to see what's in it! Not many of us can or will do this dastardly deed.Hats off to you,Teufellj

Reply #22

Teufellj — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:55:41 GMT

Hypersoniq, using past draw history to make your decisions for a play, is a unique pattern unto itsself. Everytime that a person looks up or checks how a certain digit or pairs or the whole set was played at a given time and then as you are checking on that particular rundown to make said decision, you have followed a pattern! Yes?Teufellj

Reply #21

Teufellj — Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:44:26 GMT

So, Thomas Covenant doesn't believe that what goes around comes around? As in past performances?? Duke University is a great school but if you are one of the educators, you are expected to write so many articles and be known or get overlooked when pay raises are in vogue. As to patterns for schooling tests, their criteria focuses on the everyday world and is not even considering what a gambler of games would see and THERE ARE PATTERNS to be found in lotto and lottery. Too many years have gone by... [ More ]

Reply #20

Bryan — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:10:35 GMT

Hey secret4777,The

Reply #19

hypersoniq — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:43:08 GMT

but I DON'T see patterns... :-(My system is based on past draw history, info you need to determine ranges, boundaries, averages. The result isn't a magic answer, but rather a better QP than I usually get from the state.of course I HOPE it works (who actually plays to lose?), but I'm not fooling myself into believing it's going to consistently spit out winners (By using draw history, I can retroactively guess at the numbers and tweak the system... best so far was $100 twice in 79 draws by usi... [ More ]

Reply #18

Thomas Covenant — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:15:01 GMT

Lottery systems may serve a purpose. The odds that any single person will win is daunting. 120,000,000 is almost half the population of the USA. If you really sat down and thought about the odds you would probably stop buying lottery tickets. Even a false hope is better than no hope to some people.

Reply #17

rundown99 — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:56:36 GMT

Missouri Powerball winners claim prize.http://www.molottery.com/app/news/showArticle.jsp?aid=1085And YES, they let the COMPUTER randomly select their numbers.Lesson of Life: DO NOT BUY OR BUY INTO LOTTERY SYSTEMS.

Reply #16

Prometheus1 — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:48:21 GMT

In any lottery game if the numbers have an even distribution of 50/50 of half high/low or odd/even the odds never change. People confuse odds and probability. Each time you toss a coin the odds are 50/50 but the probability of you tossing 30 heads in a row is over 3 Billion to one. Starting with the 2nd. toss.......your chances go up. Probability they say, is when Math meets common sence.

Reply #15

tkgsa2 — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:50:02 GMT

If we take the coin example, it would be easier to explain why you are wrong, Prometheus. What you are basically saying is that there are better chances to get heads after 6 consecutive tails, because in the long run it has to even up some how.But if you through a coin a million times and check what happened after all the consecutive 6 tails, youll see that 50% of the times came up heads and the other half tail.So the chances of getting a consecutive 7 tails are all about when you ask the quest... [ More ]

Reply #14

askjeeves — Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:19:48 GMT

what's this got to do wit lottery Wind. What's your point? I think you're in the wrong forum or are you just going senile yet

Reply #13

WIN D — Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:36:30 GMT

Thomas, count the black dots.Thought you would like to see this. Too bad those guys wasted all that research grant money on expensive equipment. All they needed was some paper and a pencil. This is the cheaper version of their ground breaking research.

Reply #12

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 01:02:58 GMT

Yes you do bet on one draw. You don't go to the lottery retailer and say I want to bet $1 that the pick 3 will follow this pattern over a period of time . You bet on 1 draw. You bet that pick 3 will be this number on this draw. Predicting a certain number on a certain draw is not possible. Predicting a coin flip is not possible. Coin flip has only 2 combinations.

Reply #11

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:55:57 GMT

No, Thomas ,thats just it I don't bet on just one draw, I bit on many draws overtime and use math averages and probability to increase my chances. Thats exactaly the point. It's not just one time for you are me. We want to win or have a better chance to win over time. Over time is the key and winning more than we lose. Increasing our chances as best we can by using math and probability to do it.

Reply #10

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:26:27 GMT

>I think I'm beginning to see something that could help in understanding. Perhaps your focus is on just one draw or one dvent.<One draw is what you bet on.

Reply #9

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:32:46 GMT

I think I'm beginning to see something that could help in understanding. Perhaps your focus is on just one draw or one dvent. Maybe we need to spread out a little and look at the general proposition that math and probability increase your chances. Let's talk about that perhaps. Hell. No one knows what the next dvent will be. Right? Good. We can stipulate that. Good. LOL are we making progress yet

Reply #8

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:54:07 GMT

My reasons they don't. Simple. Past draws do not affect future draws.

Reply #7

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:34:37 GMT

People also see patterns where they do exist! So ,now, lets talk about the value of math and probability with regard to increasing your chances. What are your reasons they don't

Reply #6

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:20:16 GMT

You are using a debating tactic called Ad Hominem, attacking the people who wrote the article, instead of the idea. The article was about a specific area of the brain that recognizes patterns. The fact that people see patterns that don't exist is just that, a fact.

Reply #5

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:08:49 GMT

Great Article Bryan and the authors credits are excellent. The other article is a laugh. A bunch of liberal arts undergrads who have to hire a C.P.A. to do their own taxes. LOL Huettel is only an assistant professor of psychiatry; Mack just an undergraduate, and McCarthy is a professor in radiology and psychology at a VA medical center . Oh sure, the best talent I ever received was at the VA hospitals, but not from Dr. Phil the Psychologist! LOL Mathmatical and Statistical geniuses. NOT

Reply #4

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 16:50:01 GMT

There is no better way of picking numbers, it's random.

Reply #3

kbcherokee — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 16:17:01 GMT

TC:All ya have to

Reply #2

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:59:19 GMT

I already read it. It basicall

Reply #1

Bryan — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:47:55 GMT

Hey Thomas,You may enjoy this read, as well.http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/%7Estark/Java/lln.htmEnjoy...

Seeing patterns where none exist

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:22:04 GMT

Here's a good article for lottery system users.Click here