Numeric frequency theories do not apply

Reply #35

Johnny5 — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:52:46 GMT

I am tired of numbers.. and

Reply #34

Johnny5 — Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:25:53 GMT

I am on to a new horiz

Reply #33

Pick-4_Master — Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:08:09 GMT

I don't have anything against players using Quick-Picks or playing Lucky Numbers it's just when they say that it's the only way you'll win because the Lottery is Random.That's not true and I have corresponded with many players who have hit numbers using strategies and software.I'm glad your taking a different approach to the game never limit yourself to what Everyone else does or says will work or not.Systems,software and strategies work just as well as QP's and lucky numbers it's just that th... [ More ]

Reply #32

rundown99 — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:56:23 GMT

I think that you guys have a point. I have been thinking about this issue earlier tonight, and for tomorrow's powerball drawing, I will do a strategy, only because I feel that although most people win using quick picks, every ticket still has a chance. And I can't risk spending the rest of my life waiting for a combination to be picked or playing birthday numbers or aimlessly picking quick picks. I am glad that I checked the responses to my post. Thanks guysgoldeneye26

Reply #31

Pick-4_Master — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:46:22 GMT

But what if Quick-Picks and Lucky Numbers don't work for you then what? I use to be a Quick-Pick and Lucky Numbersplayer up until around 1998 and never won a dime in any of the games.In 1996 I discovered LottoWorld Magazine and they discussed systems,strategies and software.I spent 2 yrs learning all that stuff and in 1998 I started hitting 3 and 4 numbers in the Pick-5 then I had to start all over after my job and other things interfered with my progress.This year alone I have hit the Pic... [ More ]

Reply #30

rundown99 — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:03:37 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on December 15, 2003 what about the test draws they do before live broadcasts? I live in Lincoln, Nebraska. On September 20th, the Nebraska Lottery celebrated its 10th anniversary, and the Powerball drawing was held in Lincoln during the night of the anniversary party. What I noticed was that the host did some practice draws before the official one at 9:59pm central time. Therefore, not only are there practice draws right before the drawing, it is poss... [ More ]

Reply #29

hypersoniq — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:49:58 GMT

what about the test draws they do before live broadcasts

Reply #28

lottoarchitect — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:56:15 GMT

Let's give it a try then Johnny5. It seems that you understand how the prediction logic works the same way I do. Let's have a discussion on what we may have omitted at the whole design till now. I'm waiting for your response.

Reply #27

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:46:20 GMT

Me and you are around the same age I was 21 back then and definitely would not have known what to do with that much money.

Reply #26

Johnny5 — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:45:18 GMT

Well I think APA's Ideas are good.. As a matter of fact I use part of what he dose already...What I do is take frequency calculations and probabilities based on certain criteria andgo from there. I can get a good response for picks that go on daily but things that don'tgo on daily is a little more difficult.

Reply #25

Johnny5 — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:29:31 GMT

Yeah Pick-4.. Im sure she was. After all there was only one (1) winner. You know it affected me more of the fact,that even though she did, she never considered at least giving something to my name since she even knew,my address and all that due to the fact my license was in there and my SS. Hey I would have even settled formy cridentials in return. So not only did that happen, but also in addition I had to spend money and time to getthem back.Florida prices back then.

Reply #24

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:25 GMT

Anyway they owe you so I hope what ever your working on helps you get your money back.

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Pick-4_Master — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:18:38 GMT

I wasn't implying that you could have done something about it because like you said there was no proof.And she probably went through the wallet and found the ticket and decided to keep it.When you said that happened in 1988 it reminded of her so I was thinking that it was possible she was the one that found your wallet.

Reply #22

Millennium — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:04:21 GMT

I wish some of you would join the thread here.

Reply #21

Johnny5 — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:58:08 GMT

No matter how much calculation you create. I again emphasize that Mathematics is not the only means to predicting a type of lotto. If you dont use the possible factors that lead to precision, you are just doing what everyone is entitled to do.. Take a Chance .You must consider all possibilities when making predictions.e.g. If you are playing a Pick-5 game. You have five balls. You know that every time a drawing occurs not only are you faced with the possible frequencies, but also with ball-set

Reply #20

lottoarchitect — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:49:02 GMT

Lets talk about frequencies then. If you know how to use them, then you probably come up with some good results. If you don't, I'm sorry. About the BS on lotteries needed, I'm not saying that, maths do. I've tried frequencies to determine patterns... Imagine what, bad luck. So I developed another approach which I call S-variant . This picture illustrates briefly the process but it does involve very complex maths. This doesn't use any frequencies at all. It can determine any pattern, no matter h... [ More ]

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MrSteel01 — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:41:24 GMT

You people are way overboard with all that info!just keep it simpledrawings=1,000 minsums high/lowrepeating setsodds more than evengroupsms

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MrSteel01 — Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:34:55 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on November 22, 2003 Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on November 22, 2003 There are mathematical formulas to determine the minimum draws required but believe me, it's far beyond any history draws we have . BS on that! I have over 9,000 drawings in history for the PA Daily number (Pick 3, HAS only 1000 combinations)...what are the formulas you speak of?Can't say enough but you need only 1,000 draws to compute a good idea for any game

Reply #17

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:19:26 GMT

That's why I don't rely on Luck or if I'm meant to I will how about If you want it go get it don't wait around for numbers to hit find a way to increase the odds in your favor and select your own numbers through analysis.I prefer wheeling a good amount of numbers and applying a reasonable amount of filters and play anywhere from 10-30 combo's in the Daily games.Not everyday of course just 2 or 3 times a week that makes it easier to see Bias in action which gives you those patterns and tr... [ More ]

Reply #16

jim695 — Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:19:03 GMT

The example referred to above can be found under Lottery Disscussions > What Are The Main Events.

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jim695 — Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:26 GMT

To Johnny5:Yours is probably the most intelligent response I've read here. This isn't meant to insult anyone else who posted to this thread, but Johnny5's response seems to be very well thought-out.Most of you are missing an important element in your number selection: the consideration of bias. A coin toss can't be fairly compared to any lottery drawing, regardless of the number of balls used. In a coin toss, you're using one coin whose weight remains constant. It would be difficult to find two... [ More ]

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hypersoniq — Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:51:45 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on November 22, 2003 We should look for patterns, unusual behaviour of each number or anything else except frequencies! Frequency is the basis for patterns. A number's frequent appearance or conspicuous absence is the core of most systems. I would be more inclined to believe sums have no practical value in a jackpot (multi-ball, non-replacement) game.

Reply #13

Johnny5 — Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:28 GMT

apagogeasPosted: November 23, 2003 at 11:26am - IP LoggedIMG height=21 alt=Report Inappropriate Content src= http://66.70.117.239/lpimages/p_report.gif >IMG height=21 alt=Quote apagogeas src= http://66.70.117.239/lpimages/p_quote.gif >EXCALIBUR, we say exactly the same thing! Actually, anyone here says the same thing in different words.About the formulas, this is like asking me to write a technical article on this, which I'll not. There a lot steps involved in this, it's not just a simple equati... [ More ]

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BobP — Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:05:11 GMT

Frequency is a bootstrapping effect when put to proper use. First you break down the numbers into hot, average and cold, then you look at the draw history and see how many came from each in the drawings, now you know the percentage ratio of how many hot, average and cold numbers you need to put on your wheel to mimic the proportions of your game.The idea of playing the hottest numbers is a waste as the winning draw never comes from all hot or all cold or even hot and cold. Every draw has a mix... [ More ]

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lottoshlep — Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:08:30 GMT

No one has metion

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WIN D — Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:06:23 GMT

At this point, I don't know enough about the big games to ever attempt any sort of system. I play on occasion but don't attempt to overcome its complexity. At this point, I believe there is already too much to overcome with simple pick-3 games, much less the big games. Don't we agree that the first breakthroughs will come at this level? This is where I have begun. Trying to learn to walk before we run. Even at the Pick-3 level, the odds and payoffs are such that you feel like you're forced to... [ More ]

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lottoarchitect — Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:26:36 GMT

EXCALIBUR, we say exactly the same thing! Actually, anyone here says the same thing in different words.About the formulas, this is like asking me to write a technical article on this, which I'll not. There a lot steps involved in this, it's not just a simple equation. Anyone who has an understanding of statistics, confidence intervals, normal distribution, degrees of freedom, sample size properties etc, can realize the problem we are dealing with. It's differe t to observe a possible dvent than... [ More ]

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WIN D — Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:25:10 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by damo87 on November 22, 2003 Numeric Frequency Theories don't apply! I am surprised at the number of numeric frequency theories that are suggested through this discussion board. I am no mathematician, but anyone with even a slight understanding of probability would know that these theories do not apply to random draws, such as lottery numbers. Each number has exactly the same chance of being drawn if it has been drawn 1000 times or only 10 times before.................... [ More ]

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EXCALIBUR — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:49:36 GMT

It is just an idea, but I suggest that you checkOpen Discussion: Define/Refine Prediction Pick 3 hypersoniqNovember 17, 2003, 8:12pmThe above interesting post, on the pick 3 forum.

Reply #6

EXCALIBUR — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:42:36 GMT

Each number has exactly the same chance of being drawn if it has been drawn 1000 times or only 10 times before.Each number has exactly the same chance of being drawn, is old school foolish wisdom .To have a clear idea of each lottery's random behaviour, we should have a very large history of draws. There are mathematical formulas to determine the minimum draws required but believe me, it's far beyond any history draws we have. I hate to disagree with you all on the above, seeing as how you know... [ More ]

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hypersoniq — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:49:15 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on November 22, 2003 There are mathematical formulas to determine the minimum draws required but believe me, it's far beyond any history draws we have. I have over 9,000 drawings in history for the PA Daily number (Pick 3, only 1000 combinations)...what are the formulas you speak of

Reply #4

Pick-4_Master — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:13:15 GMT

All Lottery numbers theoretically have the same chance of being drawn but in reality they don't behave this waybecause you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers to wheel(8).In the Pick-5/6 games you... [ More ]

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lottoarchitect — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:01:20 GMT

To have a clear idea of each lottery's random behaviour, we should have a very large history of draws. There are mathematical formulas to determine the minimum draws required but believe me, it's far beyond any history draws we have. A lottery 5/45 for example has 1221759 different tickets. Each of these 45 numbers exists in exactly 135751 tickets. Thus as most lotteries around the world have much less than 10000 history draws, we can realize our sample is relative short to conclude anything abo... [ More ]

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Guru — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:16:14 GMT

I'm not a frequency freak either, but saying that Each number has exactly the same chance of being drawn, is old school foolish wisdom .

Reply #1

lottoarchitect — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:56:03 GMT

You're absolutery right. I'm a mathematicial and frequencies are the easiest to use but they don't offer any better odds than playing random numbers! We should look for patterns, unusual behaviour of each number or anything else except frequencies

Numeric frequency theories do not apply

damo87 — Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:56:15 GMT

Numeric Frequency Theories don't apply! I am surprised at the number of numeric frequency theories that are suggested through this discussion board. I am no mathmatician, but anyone with even a slight understanding of probability would know that these theories do not apply to random draws, such as lottery numbers. Each number has exactly the same chance of being drawn if it has been drawn 1000 times or only 10 times before.Anyone who wants to win at gambling using strategy would be better off at... [ More ]