Only Odd Numbers

Reply #22

johnph77 — Mon, 24 May 2004 16:39:56 GMT

Dragon -You're quite welcome and no problem. Been there, done that and got the scars.gljohn

Reply #21

dragon — Mon, 24 May 2004 01:06:22 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by johnph77 on May 23, 2004Dragon -As I stated in my response, there are 177,100 possibilities in a 6/49 drawing that will contain only the available 25 odd numbers, the same as if you were drawing to a 6/25 lottery.If even numbers only are desired, there are 134,596 possibilities, the same as in a 6/24 drawing.As far as your original formula and number are concerned, I now think I have a handle on how it was derived and the flaw contained therein. You stated there is a

Reply #20

johnph77 — Mon, 24 May 2004 00:11:03 GMT

Dragon -As I stated in my response, there are 177,100 possibilities in a 6/49 drawing that will contain only the available 25 odd numbers, the same as if you were drawing to a 6/25 lottery.If even numbers only are desired, there are 134,596 possibilities, the same as in a 6/24 drawing.As far as your original formula and number are concerned, I now think I have a handle on how it was derived and the flaw contained therein. You stated there is a skip of a number, yielding a formula of (25*24*24*23... [ More ]

Reply #19

dragon — Sun, 23 May 2004 18:03:55 GMT

Dragon -Somehow I'm failing to see the logic behind this reasoning. There are 25 odd numbers in a 6/49 lottery. Remove one by choosing it and there are 24 numbers left. Remove two, and there are 23 left. It seems to me that there are (25*24*23*22*21*20/6*5*4*3*2*1), (25c6) or 177,100 possible combinations no matter how you cut it.If you use VB applications, you can demonstrate this by using a Step 2 limiter to the program listing all possible combinations so that only the odd numbers appear.gljo... [ More ]

Reply #18

johnph77 — Sun, 23 May 2004 17:56:09 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 23, 2004That's what I thought it was. But here is my problem with the numbers. I posted this:The way I figure it, in a 6/49 lottery, here are this many all odd combinations:25*24*24*23*23*22 / 6*5*4*3*2*1 = 232760This is not 25c6. 25c6 gives you the number of combinations, assuming no skips. As it turns out, if you are looking at a subset of a full set, like all odd numbers in 49, you're not looking at the same thing as a full set like 25c6. As you ca... [ More ]

Reply #17

dragon — Sun, 23 May 2004 17:06:06 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 23, 2004DragonI don't think I've read a word that Gail Howard has written and never seen her interviewed etc. That said I do know she has a very successful business in this field. From BobP I know she was one of the pioneers in wheeling and she has a consistent following which means she is giving people what they want. It's not easy to build up and maintain a successful business- so I admire her.ColinActually, being a business person myself, I admire he... [ More ]

Reply #16

dragon — Sun, 23 May 2004 17:00:11 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 23, 200449c6 or C(49,6) or (49) all mean the same. 49!/43! x 6! 6As no doubt you already know if you want to work it out use the Calculator in your Computer in scientific view which has the Factorial Function.If you look at my first Post on this forum I pointed out that the numbers just ID the objects so whatever your doing should stand up to scrutiny where you use ID's other than integers. I was not warmly received in... [ More ]

Reply #15

RJOh — Sun, 23 May 2004 16:52:00 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 23, 2004.........She argues that you should not draw 1-2-3-4-5-6 or any other six consecutive numbers because they have never happened. This is just one statement that she makes that seem to make good street sense but makes no mathematical sense at all because in a 6/49 game there are a total of 13983816 possible combinations and only 44 six consecutive numbers combinations which means there are 13983772 combination that aren't, but the odds of one them... [ More ]

Reply #14

Colin F — Sun, 23 May 2004 15:24:43 GMT

DragonI don't think I've read a word that Gail Howard has written and never seen her interviewed etc. That said I do know she has a very successful business in this field. From BobP I know she was one of the pioneers in wheeling and she has a consistent following which means she is giving people what they want. It's not easy to build up and maintain a successful business- so I admire her.49c6 or C(49,6) or (49) all mean the same. 49!/43! x 6! 6As no doubt you al... [ More ]

Reply #13

desparado — Sun, 23 May 2004 08:39:15 GMT

To dragon:Have you noticed something about the odd and even numbers match?If you know which position must be the odd number and which position is the even number,You can improve your chance of winning small prizes a lot more.

Reply #12

keystonechas — Sun, 23 May 2004 03:48:21 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 22, 2004Quote: Originally posted by keystonechas on May 22, 2004Which Gail Howard book are you talking about?ChasLottery Master Guide, Smart Luck Publishers, 4th Edition Printing, 2004.Could you please point out some of her logical statements that appear to be utter nonsense? I have the book in question, third edition 1997, and personally believe it's quite good.Chas

Reply #11

dragon — Sun, 23 May 2004 03:35:51 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by keystonechas on May 22, 2004Which Gail Howard book are you talking about?ChasLottery Master Guide, Smart Luck Publishers, 4th Edition Printing, 2004.

Reply #10

keystonechas — Sun, 23 May 2004 03:27:13 GMT

Which Gail Howard book are you talking about?Chas

Reply #9

dragon — Sun, 23 May 2004 02:08:59 GMT

Colin:>>> Nearly right. There are 25 Odd numbers. Number of sixes with all odd we can form from this is 25c6 = 177,100. Number of all possible combinations is49c6 = 13,983,816. So probability per Draw of an all odd Combination is25c6/49c6 = .012664. Complement of a Non all odd Combination is .987336.Forgive me, but I don't understand your notation 25c6. Can you write this longhand so I can reconstruct the calculation and thus my error?I usually calculate these things with the longhand factorial... [ More ]

Reply #8

keystonechas — Sat, 22 May 2004 04:43:50 GMT

Results from the first 296 drawings of the old Pa Super 6 game which was replaced in January 2004 by the Pa Match 6 game. After the first 296 drawings I never updated my data.All even numbers were drawn 4 timesAll odd numbers were drawn 5 timesChas

Reply #7

keystonechas — Sat, 22 May 2004 04:26:40 GMT

dragon, I checked the last 1000 drawings of the Pa Cash 5 game with the following results:All even numbers were drawn 20 timesAll odd numbers were drawn 29 timesOnly once were all odd or all even drawn in back to back drawings. March 1, and March 2, 2004 all odd numbers were drawn.Chas

Reply #6

Colin F — Sat, 22 May 2004 03:57:38 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 21, 2004Somebody talked about a filter to take out all odd combinations. Like 7,9,31,43,45,47 for instance.They said to do that because it has never happened before. That intrigued me.The way I figure it, in a 6/49 lottery, here are this many all odd combinations:25*24*24*23*23*22 / 6*5*4*3*2*1 = 232760Since there are 13 million total combinations, there should be an all odd draw result every 60 games or so. Pretty frequent.Has anybody checked a dra... [ More ]

Reply #5

dragon — Sat, 22 May 2004 02:19:50 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by your wrong on May 21, 2004I really dont understand why we all have so much trouble with the numbers being chosen at random. I mean say that they were'nt , then we would be complaining that the game was fixed.As far as all odd numbers every 60 games or so. that kind of probability factoring isnt ment for prediction of a random dvent. its kinda like takeing an average or an estimate which wont be any use to someone hopeing to win.Now that is an odd comment in the math... [ More ]

Reply #4

dragon — Sat, 22 May 2004 02:16:45 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on May 21, 2004Ohio SuperLottoPlus has had 401 drawings since 07/15/2000. In 2 drawings all the numbers including the bonus number have been odd and in 3 others, only the first 6 numbers have been odd. 11/29/03 07 15 17 23 29 43 +44 02/22/03 03 11 29 31 37 39 +43 04/27/02 01 11 19 27 29 47 +04 03/06/02 13 17 21 31 35 45 +11 08/11/01 01 03 25 39 41 49 +18Only one drawings have all 6 numbers even. 07/19/00 08 10 12 22 36 46 +41RJOhGreat. Th... [ More ]

Reply #3

keystonechas — Sat, 22 May 2004 01:11:15 GMT

I would'nt say it' has never happened. But as RJOh has shown, it's the least likely to happen.I play the odds based on past drawings. If it's the least likely to happen, it's also the least likely for me to play.Chas

Reply #2

RJOh — Fri, 21 May 2004 23:54:01 GMT

Ohio SuperLottoPlus has had 401 drawings since 07/15/2000. In 2 drawings all the numbers including the bonus number have been odd and in 3 others, only the first 6 numbers have been odd. 11/29/03 07 15 17 23 29 43 +44 02/22/03 03 11 29 31 37 39 +43 04/27/02 01 11 19 27 29 47 +04 03/06/02 13 17 21 31 35 45 +11 08/11/01 01 03 25 39 41 49 +18Only one drawings have all 6 numbers even. 07/19/00 08 10 12 22 36 46 +41RJOh

Reply #1

your wrong — Fri, 21 May 2004 23:34:20 GMT

I really dont understand why we all have so much trouble with the numbers being chosen at random. I mean say that they were'nt , then we would be complaining that the game was fixed.As far as all odd numbers every 60 games or so. that kind of probability factoring isnt ment for prediction of a random dvent. its kinda like takeing an average or an estimate which wont be any use to someone hopeing to win.

Only Odd Numbers

dragon — Fri, 21 May 2004 23:11:55 GMT

Somebody talked about a filter to take out all odd combinations. Like 7,9,31,43,45,47 for instance.They said to do that because it has never happened before. That intrigued me.The way I figure it, in a 6/49 lottery, here are this many all odd combinations:25*24*24*23*23*22 / 6*5*4*3*2*1 = 232760Since there are 13 million total combinations, there should be an all odd draw result every 60 games or so. Pretty frequent.Has anybody checked a draw history of a 6/49, for instance, for the frequen... [ More ]