States Using RNGs.

Reply #17

DoctorEw220 — Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:54:35 GMT

Ok. Here's a list of all the states that we know use RNGs.IN, CA, DE, DC, WI, MO, PA (Mid-day only), LA, NM, NE, MN, OR, KY (Fpr their new game), and KS use RNGs (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and feel free to add more states as they move over to RNGs.

Reply #16

Colin F — Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:22:42 GMT

Jim695If you believe the total payout for Pick 3 or Pick 4 is too low then a line of inquiry would be to look at the breakdown for payouts especially the 4-Way and 6-Way. If these are higher than other States then that would suggest the Quick Picks being played have a higher percentage of 4-Way and 6-Way numbers. Dollie has just confirmed in a Pick 4 thread I started that they are pretty scarce.The Histories look OK which means a satisfactory algorithm is being used. Who knows what is being used... [ More ]

Reply #15

Colin F — Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:42:45 GMT

Jim695Here is a link to my results for Indiana Pick 3.http://www.copiers-au.com/Pick4InAll500_10_Rpt_1.htmlI think some mischievous IT people gave rise to the story about a simple RNG from the Web. Quite simply put without modification it would give too many 6-Way and 4-Way numbers.I also do not think anybody could tell the difference between machine or computer generated numbers using the criteria I describe.The rest of what you talk about it is of no concern to me.Colin

Reply #14

Colin F — Sun, 08 Aug 2004 07:00:04 GMT

Jim695At the time I posted I had looked at the Percentage of 24W, 12W, 6W, 4W and repeats and had done 3x500 Runs of 10 Selections and there was nothing much there to get me excited. However, subsequent runs with extremely poor results are making me look at things a little askance.We'll see I'm still getting too know the extremes for Pick 3 and Pick 4 and what a somewhat over or above result can give in the long term. I can tell you in pick 6 it is not unusual to have identical results for lower... [ More ]

Reply #13

Colin F — Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:16:49 GMT

Jim695I'm not fazed too much by tirades. I have my flippant side and my serious side. You're encroaching on the latter.I have perused some of your Posts regarding your beef with Indiana Lotteries and they fall very much into the category of tirades too. Previously I had done nothing on Pick 3 or Pick 4 so I was not in a position to dispute what you were saying.I say categorically to you that a simple algorithm downloaded from the Web would not produce a satisfactory History for Pick 3 or Pick 4.... [ More ]

Reply #12

DoctorEw220 — Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:45:41 GMT

ok. this is starting to become off the topic. the only reason i started this topic was so we could have a list of the states that use RNGs to help everyone out when deciding whether or not to play too much on numbers while in the state.

Reply #11

jim695 — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:22:52 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on August 07, 2004From my recent work on Pick 4 and creating a RNG to emulate that from the Mechanical Devices I can tell you talk about using some unsophisticated algorithm obtained from the internet is rubbish.ColinWhile I'm happy you've taken such a scientific approach to disprove theories put forth on this forum, I can assure you that Indiana using an RNG they downloaded from a public site on the internet is not conjecture, butfact. That's exactly how they... [ More ]

Reply #10

Todd — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 17:46:16 GMT

Maybe it's a good example of a

Reply #9

DoctorEw220 — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:37:25 GMT

todd:that was a mistake. i checked the OR website, and they corrected it.

Reply #8

Todd — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:08:15 GMT

Colin,Check yesterday's Oregon Pick 4 results for an example of poor randomness.

Reply #7

Colin F — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:46:59 GMT

While it is possible for a Program to produce Random Numbers to be started at precisely the same System Timer point as done previously on an identical Computer using the same Program to produce the same numbers as before the logistics in doing something like this unoticed are almost impossible.It would require the introduction of a substitute program and in these days of very sophisticated viruses with people that specialise in there detection to do something like that in an area under intense s... [ More ]

Reply #6

DoctorEw220 — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:41:30 GMT

Ok. Here's a list of the states that use RNGs so far. Once again, corrcet me if I am wrong.IN, CA, DE, DC, WI, MO, PA (Mid-day only), LA, NM, NE, KS, MN, and OR.If you know of any other states that use RNGs to draw winning numbers, please add to this forum.

Reply #5

DoctorEw220 — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:25:21 GMT

Oregon as well (I think).

Reply #4

DoctorEw220 — Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:31:46 GMT

that's why i started this topic.

Reply #3

Ridgerunner2 — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:07:00 GMT

Doc, I agree. I feel that, with the use of mechanical devices, at least there are factors that can be localized, at times, to at least give the player an edge. Even if only in our own minds. Using a RNG takes away any advantage the player may or may not have totally and as far as I'm concerned it takes away the fun of trying to beat the System .

Reply #2

DoctorEw220 — Wed, 04 Aug 2004 04:02:13 GMT

MN as well.

Reply #1

DoctorEw220 — Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:23:37 GMT

I figure this way, we'll have a list of states that we shouldn't play in too often.

States Using RNGs.

DoctorEw220 — Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:22:47 GMT

Which states use RNGs to select their winning numbers? I know IN, CA, DE, DC, WI, MO, PA (Mid-day only), LA, NM, NE, and KS use RNGs (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), but what other states use RNGs or are about to use RNGs to select winning numbers