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• loonasee2

  

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  Getting any SNOW up there joeyd,probably need a  tape measure ,the yard stick is buried .lol With all this snow 333 should show.Hope your doing fine.Stop in once in a while.

  " my monsters are real "
• joeyd

  

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  7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 2 2 8 8 8 8 8  8  8  8  8  8 8  8   6  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8   8  8  8  8  8   8  4   8   8  4 4 9 4 9 3 3 4 2 2 8 3 1 1 1 1 1  1  1  1  1  1  6  6  8  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  1  1  1  6  4  4  4  8  4  4  8 3 4 3 4 9 6 2 3 3 3 8 3 3 7 7 5  0  5  5  5  9  1  9  0  0  9  1  3  3  3  3  1  1  5  6  6  1  5  7  1  2  7  7  7 9 3 9 3 2 2 9 9 0 9 7 0 0 0 4 0  2  0  2  6  6  2  0  3  3  3  3  9  1  7  2  4  4  6  5  7  7  6  5  5  7  2  9  9 8 8 2 2 4 4 3 4 9 7 0 2 4 3 0 2  3  2  6  9  5  9  3  2  2  0  2  1  7  2  9  9  7  2  9  2  2  1  2  2  1  9  0  0 0 2 6 6 6 9 6 8 8 0 9 7 2 2 2 3  5  3  9  3  7  5  1  9  9  1  4  4  4  9  4  3  9  9  2  5  4  2  1  7   6  0  2  2 6 5 8 0 8 0 8 0 4 4 6 4 7 4 3 4  7  6  3  2  4  3  2  1  1  2  9  7  9  0  1  0  5  7  4  4  5  7  6  6  5  1  6  6 2 6 0 8 0 8 0 6 6 6 4 9 5 5 5 7  9  7  0  0  0  7  5  4  4  4  0  0  2  4  0  2  2  4  7  9  3  9  0  9  0  6  3  3 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 5 1 1 1 5 9 6 6 9  6  9  4  4  2  0  7  7  7  7  7  2  0  1  7  7  0  0  0  3  9  3  9  0  9  3  1  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 5 5 6 6 9 9 6  4  4  7  7  3  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  3  3  3  0  0  0  3  3  3  5  5  5

   New TFR Chart (1-27)

  Best pair on this chart is the 96

  Next two best pairs are 98  68

  Next three best pairs are 94  64  84

  Other good pairs this week are 91  61  81  41  93  63  83  43  13  90

  Best two doubles this week are 99  66

  Other good doubles this week are  88  44  11

  The # 9 should be the digit to watch for this week . Best combos off the # 9 are 896  195  895  494  490

  Also the 58 pair looks real good to show this week . As of right now it looks better to show in the evening drawings .

  Already into the 2nd day on this chart . The 84 pair showed in the 824. And the 94 pair in the 947 . Even though the 94 pair hit today . It should be showing again .   494 or 499 look like good bets also .
• joeyd

  

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  New Sat. to Sat. Chart (1-27)

  Best pair on this chart is the 05

  Next two best pairs are 51  53

  Next two best pairs are 67  08 

  Other good pairs are 23  91  94  48  74  89  97

  Both the # 4 and the # 8 should repeat again this play period as hot digits .

  Best combos are 541  491  498  891  581  494  804  805  493  045

  Already a couple of draws into this chart . And the 94 -74 97 pairs triple stuffed as 947 in the midday drawing today .

   

  6	3	0	5	4	5	1	1	2	1	8	5	6	9	3	8	8	5	9	5	4	8	4	6	0	2	0	7	3	9	1	4
  1	1	9	2	2	8	2	6	4	7	2	8	2	8	4	7	4	2	6	2	7	0	8	9	8	4	8	9	6	6	7	8
  7	4	7	4	9	1	5	7	5	8	7	1	3	4	7	6	7	4	5	4	1	7	0	1	4	6	2	1	0	7	5	0
  9	2	8	6	7	9	6	8	9	5	3	0	1	0	2	1	2	6	4	7	0	3	5	5	9	7	7	8	9	4	0	6
  4	7	6	7	6	6	4	0	7	2	0	2	7	1	1	3	0	8	3	0	2	4	2	3	7	1	9	4	1	0	2	7
  2	8	5	0	8	0	8	5	0	0	6	7	4	6	6	0	3	1	8	3	9	2	1	7	2	3	1	2	2	1	3	2
  0	9	3	8	1	2	3	4	1	4	1	9	9	5	5	2	6	3	1	6	6	9	9	8	6	8	3	0	8	3	8	9
  8	6	1	9	3	7	7	9	6	9	9	4	0	3	0	9	9	7	2	1	8	1	3	0	3	0	6	6	5	5	4	1
  5	5	4	3	5	4	0	3	3	3	5	6	8	2	8	5	1	9	0	8	5	6	6	4	5	5	4	3	4	2	9	5
  3	0	2	1	0	3	9	2	8	6	4	3	5	7	9	4	5	0	7	9	3	5	7	2	1	9	5	5	7	8	6	3
• joeyd

  

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  Plenty of snow for me here Loon ! You have been doing GREAT on your picks ! CONGRATS !
• LottoBoner

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  Quote: Originally posted by joeyd on Jan 28, 2013

  Plenty of snow for me here Loon ! You have been doing GREAT on your picks ! CONGRATS !

  Nice to have you back JoeyD!!! 

  Loon is a supersquirrel!

  Looking tonite for the 845  or 844, and suppose I will also throw in that 944, now that you mentioned it!

  Good Luck!
• loonasee2

  

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  Heads up been getting  a pattern on the qp's for 398 ,...which go's along  w/chart

  Glad to have you back,.......and Thanks for posting.

  " my monsters are real "
• Jaws1002

  

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  Great call on the 58 pair in the evening Joey. Congrats!!
• dbVisuals

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by joeyd on Jan 28, 2013

  New Sat. to Sat. Chart (1-27)

  Best pair on this chart is the 05

  Next two best pairs are 51  53

  Next two best pairs are 67  08 

  Other good pairs are 23  91  94  48  74  89  97

  Both the # 4 and the # 8 should repeat again this play period as hot digits .

  Best combos are 541  491  498  891  581  494  804  805  493  045

  Already a couple of draws into this chart . And the 94 -74 97 pairs triple stuffed as 947 in the midday drawing today .

   

  6	3	0	5	4	5	1	1	2	1	8	5	6	9	3	8	8	5	9	5	4	8	4	6	0	2	0	7	3	9	1	4
  1	1	9	2	2	8	2	6	4	7	2	8	2	8	4	7	4	2	6	2	7	0	8	9	8	4	8	9	6	6	7	8
  7	4	7	4	9	1	5	7	5	8	7	1	3	4	7	6	7	4	5	4	1	7	0	1	4	6	2	1	0	7	5	0
  9	2	8	6	7	9	6	8	9	5	3	0	1	0	2	1	2	6	4	7	0	3	5	5	9	7	7	8	9	4	0	6
  4	7	6	7	6	6	4	0	7	2	0	2	7	1	1	3	0	8	3	0	2	4	2	3	7	1	9	4	1	0	2	7
  2	8	5	0	8	0	8	5	0	0	6	7	4	6	6	0	3	1	8	3	9	2	1	7	2	3	1	2	2	1	3	2
  0	9	3	8	1	2	3	4	1	4	1	9	9	5	5	2	6	3	1	6	6	9	9	8	6	8	3	0	8	3	8	9
  8	6	1	9	3	7	7	9	6	9	9	4	0	3	0	9	9	7	2	1	8	1	3	0	3	0	6	6	5	5	4	1
  5	5	4	3	5	4	0	3	3	3	5	6	8	2	8	5	1	9	0	8	5	6	6	4	5	5	4	3	4	2	9	5
  3	0	2	1	0	3	9	2	8	6	4	3	5	7	9	4	5	0	7	9	3	5	7	2	1	9	5	5	7	8	6	3

  Best combos are  541  491  498  891  581  494  804  805  493  045
  
  
  

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• joeyd

  

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  7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 2 2 8 8 8 8 8  8  8  8  8  8 8  8   6  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8   8  8  8  8  8   8  4   8   8  4 4 9 4 9 3 3 4 2 2 8 3 1 1 1 1 1  1  1  1  1  1  6  6  8  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  1  1  1  6  4  4  4  8  4  4  8 3 4 3 4 9 6 2 3 3 3 8 3 3 7 7 5  0  5  5  5  9  1  9  0  0  9  1  3  3  3  3  1  1  5  6  6  1  5  7  1  2  7  7  7 9 3 9 3 2 2 9 9 0 9 7 0 0 0 4 0  2  0  2  6  6  2  0  3  3  3  3  9  1  7  2  4  4  6  5  7  7  6  5  5  7  2  9  9 8 8 2 2 4 4 3 4 9 7 0 2 4 3 0 2  3  2  6  9  5  9  3  2  2  0  2  1  7  2  9  9  7  2  9  2  2  1  2  2  1  9  0  0 0 2 6 6 6 9 6 8 8 0 9 7 2 2 2 3  5  3  9  3  7  5  1  9  9  1  4  4  4  9  4  3  9  9  2  5  4  2  1  7   6  0  2  2 6 5 8 0 8 0 8 0 4 4 6 4 7 4 3 4  7  6  3  2  4  3  2  1  1  2  9  7  9  0  1  0  5  7  4  4  5  7  6  6  5  1  6  6 2 6 0 8 0 8 0 6 6 6 4 9 5 5 5 7  9  7  0  0  0  7  5  4  4  4  0  0  2  4  0  2  2  4  7  9  3  9  0  9  0  6  3  3 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 5 1 1 1 5 9 6 6 9  6  9  4  4  2  0  7  7  7  7  7  2  0  1  7  7  0  0  0  3  9  3  9  0  9  3  1  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 5 5 6 6 9 9 6  4  4  7  7  3  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  3  3  3  0  0  0  3  3  3  5  5  5    New TFR Chart (1-27) Best pair on this chart is the 96 Next two best pairs are 98  68 Next three best pairs are 94  64  84                                              2X Other good pairs this week are 91  61  81  41  93  63  83  43  13  90                                                                                2X         2X Best two doubles this week are 99  66 Other good doubles this week are  88  44  11 The # 9 should be the digit to watch for this week . Best combos off the # 9 are 896  195  895  494  490 Also the 58 pair looks real good to show this week . As of right now it looks better to show in the evening drawings . Already into the 2nd day on this chart . The 84 pair showed in the 824. And the 94 pair in the 947 . Even though the 94 pair hit today . It should be showing again .   494 or 499 look like good bets also . Been a good week so far for the TFR pairs to be showing . Ten out of 20 pairs listed have shown . Three triple stuffs (463-634-189 ) .  And the best pair 96 shows in the 956 tonite .

   

  I played 966, 906 and NOT the 956 which was the next 9X6 on the chart...

  1.  6.  6.

  9.  0.  3.

  2.  5.  1.

  You are doing a excellent job Rexbell on posting both the evening and midday position charts for everyone . And I would like to thank -you for this !

  Tonite's 956 had the best pair 96 in it . Almost every week the best pair that  I post will show in that week . Using the position charts and looking for this best pair. In the position chart. Is a excellent way to narrow your plays and also get a straight hit each week . Also look for Tj's pairs that he lists . As they like to double stuff with the pairs that I list .

   Looking at the next two drawings . There is a very good chance the # 0 will show as a double or even a triple . 007 , 004 , 008 , 006 , 002  look like the best bets if the # 0 shows as a double in the next two drawings .  Also the # 7 should be showing in the next two drawings . The 077 , 074  , 747 look like good bets here . Once the # 0 shows , The 90-09 pair should be showing at least two times . Best bet here should be 094 ,090 , 790,095,091,098.
• joeyd

  

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  New sat. to Sat. Chart (1-30)

  Best pair on this chart is the 74

  Next best two pairs are 23  67

  Other good pairs are 05  08  91  35  15  40  94  96  42  48  85

  Looking at the 74 pair gives these combos to watch for :

  747  074 474  471  274  674  974

  Looking at the 23 pair gives these combos to watch for :

  273  023  423  231  223  623  293

  6	3	0	5	4	5	1	1	2	1	8	5	6	9	3	8	8	5	9	5	4	8	4	6	0	2	0	7	3	9	1	4	7
  1	1	9	2	2	8	2	6	4	7	2	8	2	8	4	7	4	2	6	2	7	0	8	9	8	4	8	9	6	6	7	8	4
  7	4	7	4	9	1	5	7	5	8	7	1	3	4	7	6	7	4	5	4	1	7	0	1	4	6	2	1	0	7	5	0	2
  9	2	8	6	7	9	6	8	9	5	3	0	1	0	2	1	2	6	4	7	0	3	5	5	9	7	7	8	9	4	0	6	3
  4	7	6	7	6	6	4	0	7	2	0	2	7	1	1	3	0	8	3	0	2	4	2	3	7	1	9	4	1	0	2	7	8
  2	8	5	0	8	0	8	5	0	0	6	7	4	6	6	0	3	1	8	3	9	2	1	7	2	3	1	2	2	1	3	2	5
  0	9	3	8	1	2	3	4	1	4	1	9	9	5	5	2	6	3	1	6	6	9	9	8	6	8	3	0	8	3	8	9	9
  8	6	1	9	3	7	7	9	6	9	9	4	0	3	0	9	9	7	2	1	8	1	3	0	3	0	6	6	5	5	4	1	6
  5	5	4	3	5	4	0	3	3	3	5	6	8	2	8	5	1	9	0	8	5	6	6	4	5	5	4	3	4	2	9	5	1
  3	0	2	1	0	3	9	2	8	6	4	3	5	7	9	4	5	0	7	9	3	5	7	2	1	9	5	5	7	8	6	3	0
• rexbell

  

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  7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 2 2 8 8 8 8 8  8  8  8  8  8 8  8   6  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8  8   8  8  8  8  8   8  4   8   8  4 4 9 4 9 3 3 4 2 2 8 3 1 1 1 1 1  1  1  1  1  1  6  6  8  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  1  1  1  6  4  4  4  8  4  4  8 3 4 3 4 9 6 2 3 3 3 8 3 3 7 7 5  0  5  5  5  9  1  9  0  0  9  1  3  3  3  3  1  1  5  6  6  1  5  7  1  2  7  7  7 9 3 9 3 2 2 9 9 0 9 7 0 0 0 4 0  2  0  2  6  6  2  0  3  3  3  3  9  1  7  2  4  4  6  5  7  7  6  5  5  7  2  9  9 8 8 2 2 4 4 3 4 9 7 0 2 4 3 0 2  3  2  6  9  5  9  3  2  2  0  2  1  7  2  9  9  7  2  9  2  2  1  2  2  1  9  0  0 0 2 6 6 6 9 6 8 8 0 9 7 2 2 2 3  5  3  9  3  7  5  1  9  9  1  4  4  4  9  4  3  9  9  2  5  4  2  1  7   6  0  2  2 6 5 8 0 8 0 8 0 4 4 6 4 7 4 3 4  7  6  3  2  4  3  2  1  1  2  9  7  9  0  1  0  5  7  4  4  5  7  6  6  5  1  6  6 2 6 0 8 0 8 0 6 6 6 4 9 5 5 5 7  9  7  0  0  0  7  5  4  4  4  0  0  2  4  0  2  2  4  7  9  3  9  0  9  0  6  3  3 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 5 1 1 1 5 9 6 6 9  6  9  4  4  2  0  7  7  7  7  7  2  0  1  7  7  0  0  0  3  9  3  9  0  9  3  1  1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 5 5 6 6 9 9 6  4  4  7  7  3  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  3  3  3  0  0  0  3  3  3  5  5  5    New TFR Chart (1-27) Best pair on this chart is the 96 Next two best pairs are 98  68 Next three best pairs are 94  64  84                                              2X Other good pairs this week are 91  61  81  41  93  63  83  43  13  90                                                                                2X         2X Best two doubles this week are 99  66 Other good doubles this week are  88  44  11 The # 9 should be the digit to watch for this week . Best combos off the # 9 are 896  195  895  494  490 Also the 58 pair looks real good to show this week . As of right now it looks better to show in the evening drawings . Already into the 2nd day on this chart . The 84 pair showed in the 824. And the 94 pair in the 947 . Even though the 94 pair hit today . It should be showing again .   494 or 499 look like good bets also . Been a good week so far for the TFR pairs to be showing . Ten out of 20 pairs listed have shown . Three triple stuffs (463-634-189 ) .  And the best pair 96 shows in the 956 tonite .

   

  I played 966, 906 and NOT the 956 which was the next 9X6 on the chart...

  1.  6.  6.

  9.  0.  3.

  2.  5.  1.

  You are doing a excellent job Rexbell on posting both the evening and midday position charts for everyone . And I would like to thank -you for this !

  Tonite's 956 had the best pair 96 in it . Almost every week the best pair that  I post will show in that week . Using the position charts and looking for this best pair. In the position chart. Is a excellent way to narrow your plays and also get a straight hit each week . Also look for Tj's pairs that he lists . As they like to double stuff with the pairs that I list .

   Looking at the next two drawings . There is a very good chance the # 0 will show as a double or even a triple . 007 , 004 , 008 , 006 , 002  look like the best bets if the # 0 shows as a double in the next two drawings .  Also the # 7 should be showing in the next two drawings . The 077 , 074  , 747 look like good bets here . Once the # 0 shows , The 90-09 pair should be showing at least two times . Best bet here should be 094 ,090 , 790,095,091,098.

  Thanks Joeyd 

  And thanks for showing us this great tool to try to trap some hits.

  I agree with you about the 0s, they are coming...  this weekend should be interesting..

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• loonasee2

  

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  Original Post by joeyd

  New sat. to Sat. Chart (1-30)

  Best pair on this chart is the 74

  Next best two pairs are 23  67

  Other good pairs are 05  08  91  35  15  40  94  96  42  48  85

  Looking at the 74 pair gives these combos to watch for :

  747  074 474  471  274  674  974

  

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• dbVisuals

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by joeyd on Nov 20, 2012

  Posted: November 11, 2012, 3:26 pm - IP Logged

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  Something new I have been working on . I have been watching this for the last two months and it seems to be working well . Watch for these pairs this week .

  00  06  16      47  28  23  03  38

   

  This system also starts on sunday am . No chart with this system . But the 28-23-38 triple stuffed as 238 with the midday drawing today . There has been over 80% hit rate each week using these pairs so far . Let's see if it continues this week .

  Last week 6 out of 8 pairs showed on this new system . 06 pair showed twice in the086 and the 064 . The 47 in the 274 . the 28 also showed twice in the 238 and the 285 . And the 23 pair in the 238 also . The 16 pair showed on the 8th day as 617 .

  This week the pairs are 76  38  24     74  14  69  63 

  So far this week the 76 pair showed in the 617 . And the 38 pair in the 873 .

  

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• LottoBoner

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  Quote: Originally posted by dbVisuals on Feb 3, 2013

  

  .	.	.	.	.	.	.	9	9	10	10	10	10	11	11	11	11	12	12	12	12	12	1	1	1	1	2
  .	.	.	.	.	.	.	23	30	7	14	21	28	4	11	18	25	2	9	16	23	30	6	13	20	27	3
  $	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$	$
  8	8	8	8	8	6	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	8	4	8	8	4	4
  1	1	1	6	6	8	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	1	1	1	1	4	4	4	8	4	4	8	7
  5	5	9	1	9	0	0	9	1	3	3	3	3	1	1	5	5	6	6	5	7	1	2	7	7	7	8
  2	6	5	2	0	3	9	0	3	9	1	2	2	4	4	6	6	2	2	2	2	2	7	2	9	9	2
  3	9	6	9	3	9	2	3	9	1	7	7	4	9	7	2	9	5	7	6	5	5	1	9	2	0	3
  6	3	7	3	1	2	3	1	2	4	4	0	9	0	9	9	2	7	4	1	1	7	6	0	0	2	6
  9	2	0	5	2	1	1	2	4	0	9	9	1	3	2	4	4	4	5	7	6	6	5	1	6	6	9
  0	0	4	7	5	4	4	4	0	2	2	4	0	2	5	7	0	9	3	9	0	9	0	6	3	3	0
  4	4	3	0	7	7	7	7	7	7	0	1	7	7	0	0	7	3	9	3	9	0	9	3	1	1	1
  7	7	2	4	4	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	3	3	3	0	0	0	3	3	3	5	5	5	5
• LottoBoner

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  This chart was delayed.  As you can see the bottom was 5, and the tops were 7 4

  So I slept, and i missed it.  Which is excruciatingly painful as i was playing str8 on Feb 1.  I hope some of you got it.  So here is the update. It appears finally the 8 is on the way down.  And 7 has moved up steadily, so perhaps a 777 triple?