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Jul 30, 2013, 11:05 am

I have to go now but looking forward to this!

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bobby623

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Jul 30, 2013, 4:35 pm

Situation
In October, the Texas lottery will initiate 4 daily drawings for Pick 3 and Daily 4.
I am a 'paper and pen' player.
I have, over the past several years, developed a workout whereby certain information
about a lottery game is logged and tracked in detail on a draw-by-draw basis.
I make my play choices (guesses) in accordance with the TRENDS that might
show up in one or more tracking charts.
Updating 24 (12 for pick 3 and 12 for pick 4) separate logs and charts by hand twice per day is a time consuming task, to say the least.
Adding 2 additional drawings for each game will probably be more than this senior citizen
will be able to handle.
I track other Texas games and Powerball.
Something will have to give.
While I know my way around with a computer, I am not a trained programmer or
coder. And it's too late in life to start learning.
Unfortunately, there are no computer science folks in the extended family.
I started this Topic with the hope that maybe there might be a LP member who would
come to my rescue by writing a few sub-routines to automate the charts.
Well, that didn't happen, and I doubt it ever will.
It's been clear to me that players who come here regularly aren't interested in
other programs. Most have what they believe is the best workout and doing
something different is out of the question.
Besides, the only good workout is a workout that wins.
Well, I've demonstrated my workout is a winner.
But, be that as it may, I stand alone.
I'm thinking there might be someone at the local university who could lend a hand.
As for the workout, several people have expressed interest.
I don't mean to be rude, but the workout is state/game specific. I don't have the time
to set up additional workouts.
All I can do is refer interested persons to the information already posted here.
Also, there are 13 separate post explaining the workout in the Systems Folder,
pages 16 and 17, Topic New Substitution System.
I'm currently exchanging ideas with Greefox on automating one of the worksheets.
The "What's Next' topic in the Mathematics forum provides good insight
on how certain data strings can be arranged to provide useful trends.

Bottom line, all the information a player needs about a substitution workout
is already available.
The workout is complex, to be sure, but not impossible.
Good luck!
CARBOB

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Jul 30, 2013, 5:09 pm

Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jul 30, 2013
Situation
In October, the Texas lottery will initiate 4 daily drawings for Pick 3 and Daily 4.
I am a 'paper and pen' player.
I have, over the past several years, developed a workout whereby certain information
about a lottery game is logged and tracked in detail on a draw-by-draw basis.
I make my play choices (guesses) in accordance with the TRENDS that might
show up in one or more tracking charts.
Updating 24 (12 for pick 3 and 12 for pick 4) separate logs and charts by hand twice per day is a time consuming task, to say the least.
Adding 2 additional drawings for each game will probably be more than this senior citizen
will be able to handle.
I track other Texas games and Powerball.
Something will have to give.
While I know my way around with a computer, I am not a trained programmer or
coder. And it's too late in life to start learning.
Unfortunately, there are no computer science folks in the extended family.
I started this Topic with the hope that maybe there might be a LP member who would
come to my rescue by writing a few sub-routines to automate the charts.
Well, that didn't happen, and I doubt it ever will.
It's been clear to me that players who come here regularly aren't interested in
other programs. Most have what they believe is the best workout and doing
something different is out of the question.
Besides, the only good workout is a workout that wins.
Well, I've demonstrated my workout is a winner.
But, be that as it may, I stand alone.
I'm thinking there might be someone at the local university who could lend a hand.
As for the workout, several people have expressed interest.
I don't mean to be rude, but the workout is state/game specific. I don't have the time
to set up additional workouts.
All I can do is refer interested persons to the information already posted here.
Also, there are 13 separate post explaining the workout in the Systems Folder,
pages 16 and 17, Topic New Substitution System.
I'm currently exchanging ideas with Greefox on automating one of the worksheets.
The "What's Next' topic in the Mathematics forum provides good insight
on how certain data strings can be arranged to provide useful trends.

Bottom line, all the information a player needs about a substitution workout
is already available.
The workout is complex, to be sure, but not impossible.
Good luck!

Bobby, I have a suggestion for you. When you create your play sheets, are they good for more than one draw? For example all even combos stay the same. Below is an example of a structure Boxed key numbers. The structure are created outside of the software and entered using own series key. The combos you created for todays draw, are they good for future draws?

how many combos are in AABC Sgls, Doubles?

Singles:
S# 3169 3659 3690

GA AABC ABBC ABCC

L# 1572 1782 1720

Double Lottery Numbers:

S# 6119 2559 3776

GA BAAC ABBC ACCB

L# 7552 1882 1447
CARBOB

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Jul 30, 2013, 6:36 pm

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jul 30, 2013
Bobby, I have a suggestion for you. When you create your play sheets, are they good for more than one draw? For example all even combos stay the same. Below is an example of a structure Boxed key numbers. The structure are created outside of the software and entered using own series key. The combos you created for todays draw, are they good for future draws?

how many combos are in AABC Sgls, Doubles?

Singles:
S# 3169 3659 3690

GA AABC ABBC ABCC

L# 1572 1782 1720

Double Lottery Numbers:

S# 6119 2559 3776

GA BAAC ABBC ACCB

L# 7552 1882 1447

Do you by any chance have the entire matrix for any of the Texas games, 3,4,5 or 2-step, calc'd?

Here's an image of what I'm asking. I can filter each column for any filter, create that structure and enter it into Lotsoft, then track it in all states.
bobby623

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Jul 30, 2013, 6:55 pm

CARBOB

Singles:
S# 3169 3659 3690

GA AABC ABBC ABCC

L# 1572 1782 1720

Double Lottery Numbers:

S# 6119 2559 3776

GA BAAC ABBC ACCB

L# 7552 1882 1447

I usually introduce my choices for two consecutive drawings effective with the Night drawing.
This give me an entry for the next day Midday, and can sleep in!

I'm not sure I understand your chart, but, it won't satisfy my needs.
First of all, you would have to eliminate all the references for odd and even numbers, hot and cold, sums, roots, etc, etc.
None of that traditional stuff applies.

There are 256 individual alphabetical structures.
There are 16 beginning with AA, 16 more for AB, 16 more for AC and 16 more for AR, etc.
But, there is no attempt to select a whole structure at the start.
It's a step-step process that will eventually form a full structure.
Basically, if a User decides, using data in a certain tracking chart, that the next structure will have two As (Double A), there is a
process where those As, plus two other letters, will be given specific lottery numbers.
I'm not going to detail the process here.
But I will say this - once you convert to the substitute, none of the traditional filtering methods will apply.
It's a new world!
Are you volunteering to draft a sub-routine??
CARBOB

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Jul 30, 2013, 7:10 pm

Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jul 30, 2013
CARBOB

Singles:
S# 3169 3659 3690

GA AABC ABBC ABCC

L# 1572 1782 1720

Double Lottery Numbers:

S# 6119 2559 3776

GA BAAC ABBC ACCB

L# 7552 1882 1447

I usually introduce my choices for two consecutive drawings effective with the Night drawing.
This give me an entry for the next day Midday, and can sleep in!

I'm not sure I understand your chart, but, it won't satisfy my needs.
First of all, you would have to eliminate all the references for odd and even numbers, hot and cold, sums, roots, etc, etc.
None of that traditional stuff applies.

There are 256 individual alphabetical structures.
There are 16 beginning with AA, 16 more for AB, 16 more for AC and 16 more for AR, etc.
But, there is no attempt to select a whole structure at the start.
It's a step-step process that will eventually form a full structure.
Basically, if a User decides, using data in a certain tracking chart, that the next structure will have two As (Double A), there is a
process where those As, plus two other letters, will be given specific lottery numbers.
I'm not going to detail the process here.
But I will say this - once you convert to the substitute, none of the traditional filtering methods will apply.
It's a new world!
Are you volunteering to draft a sub-routine??

I'm going to try, won't make any promises. My wife takes up a lot of my time!

There are 256 individual alphabetical structures.
There are 16 beginning with AA, 16 more for AB, 16 more for AC and 16 more for AR, etc.

Do you have all of those created? I use those filters to create the structures, only. Lotsoft has more than enough filters. Do you have a copy of Paurths software? If not go to his blog and download a copy. I think a link is in there. If not, pm him and he will give you instructions to download.
bobby623

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Jul 30, 2013, 10:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jul 30, 2013
I'm going to try, won't make any promises. My wife takes up a lot of my time!

There are 256 individual alphabetical structures.
There are 16 beginning with AA, 16 more for AB, 16 more for AC and 16 more for AR, etc.

Do you have all of those created? I use those filters to create the structures, only. Lotsoft has more than enough filters. Do you have a copy of Paurths software? If not go to his blog and download a copy. I think a link is in there. If not, pm him and he will give you instructions to download.

CARBOB

I appreciate your offer to help, but, you are missing the point.
My substitution workout is unlike anything you have experience with.
Paurths software, which wont load on a Win7 86-bit computer, is based on filters, etc, that DO NOT APPLY to my workout.
I'm talking about a completely different way of doing things.

The more I think about it the less confident I become.
In fact, I'm thinking I should just step back and deal with the additional drawings the best I can.

Maybe one day someone will read all the pertinent posts on substitution and develop a reliable workout that is
a duplicate of mine, but for another game in another state.

Thanks again for your offer to help out.

Good luck!
manual

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Jul 30, 2013, 11:07 pm

I'm interested. I'll consume any lotto data I can get my hands on. I typically work with Pick 3, sometimes Pick 4. Keep in mind I have a day job... I didn't understand your system at first pass. Do you have it defined, step by step, somewhere? It needs to be explained in such a way where there's no guess work.
CARBOB

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Jul 31, 2013, 3:58 am

Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jul 30, 2013
CARBOB

I appreciate your offer to help, but, you are missing the point.
My substitution workout is unlike anything you have experience with.
Paurths software, which wont load on a Win7 86-bit computer, is based on filters, etc, that DO NOT APPLY to my workout.
I'm talking about a completely different way of doing things.

The more I think about it the less confident I become.
In fact, I'm thinking I should just step back and deal with the additional drawings the best I can.

Maybe one day someone will read all the pertinent posts on substitution and develop a reliable workout that is
a duplicate of mine, but for another game in another state.

Thanks again for your offer to help out.

Good luck!

OK, I will drop the idea>
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Jul 31, 2013, 8:04 am

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jul 31, 2013
OK, I will drop the idea>

Changed my mind, will try to create in Excel. Need for the following to be explained more, 1 at a time.

Col III - Gap Number according to the Master Key. (1-3, 7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
Col IV - Gap Alpha Structure according to the Master Key (G3=A, G6=B, G4=B, G4=B)
Col V - Type - Defines the GAS (TB = Triple B) (Also known as Straight or Exact)
Col l VI - Gap Number Structure - Defines the GAS in order of occurrence (one A, three

1.Master Key

Is the above image show the correct data? I will work on this whenever, I have the time and some good explanations from you.
rcbbuckeye

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Jul 31, 2013, 8:22 am

Bobby, I had to LOL when I read about you knowing your way around a computer but too old to learn coding etc... I'm right there with you. I used to play D4 every day, but I've gotten to where I just play a favorite number a couple times a week. If I start playing every day again, I'm not going to try to keep up with all the draws, but I would just focus on one draw, probably the day (noon) draw or the night draw. They will still have the most history to review, and it's a lot cheaper and easier.

The TLC wants you to believe that 4 draws means that you have 4 chances to win, which might be true, but it also means that it's very possible you will lose a heck of a lot more than you win. They are not doing this for our benefit, but for their benefit.

For what it's worth (maybe nothing), sometimes Lucky's 1 up 1 down method will sometimes pop a winner, but as with any method, it runs hot and cold.

Good luck!

JUST LOOK AT THE ODDS OF ANY JACKPOT GAME, THAT WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
bobby623

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Jul 31, 2013, 9:19 am

CARBOB

Did you read the New Substitution System posts in the Systems Forum, Page 16 and 17??
You really need to read them several times to grasp what I was saying.
I would imagine you will still have questions, but, it won't be like starting from scratch.
Let me know when you have read posts.
We will then tackle each Column separately.
I don't know anything about Excel, but I'm thinking you will need to break it into pieces.
Question?
What Key arrangement are you using??
The one I gave as an example for Florida will do.
It's arbitrary but once you start using it, you can't change it.
In the page you sent, you left out the Substitute combination.
This breaks the digits into three groups.
It is needed to generate the Alphabetical Structures.
The winning combinations are not processed. It's the substitute combinations that drive the workout.
Again, please read those posts.
There are 13 of them.

Thanks for your interest
bobby623

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Jul 31, 2013, 9:33 am

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 31, 2013
Bobby, I had to LOL when I read about you knowing your way around a computer but too old to learn coding etc... I'm right there with you. I used to play D4 every day, but I've gotten to where I just play a favorite number a couple times a week. If I start playing every day again, I'm not going to try to keep up with all the draws, but I would just focus on one draw, probably the day (noon) draw or the night draw. They will still have the most history to review, and it's a lot cheaper and easier.

The TLC wants you to believe that 4 draws means that you have 4 chances to win, which might be true, but it also means that it's very possible you will lose a heck of a lot more than you win. They are not doing this for our benefit, but for their benefit.

For what it's worth (maybe nothing), sometimes Lucky's 1 up 1 down method will sometimes pop a winner, but as with any method, it runs hot and cold.

Good luck!

rcbbuckeye

My workout generates multiple 'trend strings' that regulate how specific lottery numbers are chosen.
You can't have viable trends if you only have a portion of the data.
It's all or nothing situation.

I suppose I could reset and build tracking charts from a specific drawing, rather than all four, when they start, but
I don't think that would be a good idea.

I'm not in any way shape or form trying to guess what the next winning combination will be, per se, repeat, per se.
That's not possible.
However, I have convinced myself several times that attention to trends is helpful.
My workout presents the numbers with the best chance of winning.
Of course, the lottery machines often have other ideas.

But, I'm hitting often enough to make all the work worthwhile.
However, maybe the additional drawings will be too much for me. Only time will tell.

Thanks for your interest.
Bobby
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Jul 31, 2013, 9:37 am

Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jul 31, 2013
CARBOB

Did you read the New Substitution System posts in the Systems Forum, Page 16 and 17??
You really need to read them several times to grasp what I was saying.
I would imagine you will still have questions, but, it won't be like starting from scratch.
Let me know when you have read posts.
We will then tackle each Column separately.
I don't know anything about Excel, but I'm thinking you will need to break it into pieces.
Question?
What Key arrangement are you using??
The one I gave as an example for Florida will do.
It's arbitrary but once you start using it, you can't change it.
In the page you sent, you left out the Substitute combination.
This breaks the digits into three groups.
It is needed to generate the Alphabetical Structures.
The winning combinations are not processed. It's the substitute combinations that drive the workout.
Again, please read those posts.
There are 13 of them.

Thanks for your interest

I read them, answer my question about Master Key. The key to the digits are at top of image. If they are not the keys. tell me.
bobby623

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Jul 31, 2013, 9:43 am

Quote: Originally posted by manual on Jul 30, 2013
I'm interested. I'll consume any lotto data I can get my hands on. I typically work with Pick 3, sometimes Pick 4. Keep in mind I have a day job... I didn't understand your system at first pass. Do you have it defined, step by step, somewhere? It needs to be explained in such a way where there's no guess work.

manual

Did you read the 13 New Substitution Workout posts in the Systems Forum, pages 16 and 17??
Those posts define the workout in great detail. However, I'm not a gifted writer and I could have easily
contradicted myself, or presented incomplete directions.

If you did read the posts, several times I hope, and still have questions, post them here.
Others might have the same questions.

One important point, you need to have a Key for each lottery game you track. It's your personal key.
You can share with others, your choice.
You can have one key foe each game, or one key for all games. Your choice.
The down side is that you won't be able to compare data with others who might be using
a different method.
It's important that you clear your mind, suppress the methods you have been using.
You will be playing an entirely different game.
There are no helpful internet pages. You will be on your own.
Thanks for your interest

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