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Oct 26, 2015, 9:39 am

Flaws aside, we came up with these methods to help with figuring out how far one digit is from another.

An example is, how far was my guess from the actual result and are there any patterns to my misses.

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Oct 26, 2015, 9:48 am

Very interesting Jade!

Was Minnesota one of the states that was down for a few days? If it was, did the pattern continue after they came back up? I'm wondering if they suspected something too and took it down to check.
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Quote: Originally posted by LonniC on Oct 26, 2015
Very interesting Jade!

Was Minnesota one of the states that was down for a few days? If it was, did the pattern continue after they came back up? I'm wondering if they suspected something too and took it down to check.

No, but if these first digit misses keep going, the flaw could be more than just that.

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Oct 26, 2015, 10:29 am

I honestly believe that these states have gone to computer generated drawings to make it easier for them to cheat. I don't think it is so much an individual doing it, but it is the management companies manipulating the results to show that they are profitable. They make a lot of money managing these lotteries and the more revenue they pull in the more they make.

Illinois just went to computer generated and they keep telling us that they have all sorts of security to be sure no-one can hack they system.

I am not as concerned with someone hacking the system after the system is in place as I am with the lottery company writing the original software to cheat. Who is checking that? I believe it was Tennessee that had the problem where the software was not allowing double or triple numbers to be selected and they finally admitted there was a programming error. My question is, why in the world was the software doing any kind of checks on doubles or triples? All the software was supposed to do is pick the numbers 0 to 9 three different times. The only check should have been if the number was between 0 and 9. A 4th grader could have done that.

Illinois fired Northstar (the lottery management company) because they weren't generating the profits they had promised the state, but it doesn't go into effect until 2017. Immediately after it was announced they had been fired, Northstar went to computer generated drawings. I am beginning to think they did it so they could manipulate the results with questionable software and hopefully convince Illinois to keep them as the management company. The jackpot for the Lucky Day Lotto drawing went to I believe a record high and was mysteriously won as soon as people started screaming foul on the Illinois lottery facebook page. Northstar is convinced that the higher the jackpot, the more people will play and the higher the profits will be. So I think they are just preventing a win until a huge jackpot is reached.

We don't have a months worth of data to check yet, but I'll bet once we get enough to test, Illinois will have funny patterns like you are seeing too.
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Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Oct 25, 2015
If you haven't scrolled right on the last post, here's what got us wondering.

You can see there have been no clockwise moves in 6, 7 or 8 since early September.

We looked at the other columns in MN Daily 3; both B and C, but this is the only one that has this kind of trend.

This got us thinking and it dawned on us that MN allows betting on the first digit only (column A).

What's also coincidental is on 2015-09-09 Eddie Tipton was sentenced to 10 years in prison... weird, huh?

Since we discovered this flaw, we had been posting bogus Pick 3 numbers in the Lottery Post's Prediction Board.

Or, more to the point, the Losing first digit number that would have been covered by the missing clockwise moves: 6, 7 and 8.

The blue blurs do have some noticeable gaps around 2611, 9046 and 9766. This is the first vertical and simultaneous alignment of a pattern/structure.

When I google "pseudo random number generator flaws", it becomes easy to envision somebody manipulating the seed, CPU time, or other method. If this continues into November, I confidently say there is a bug or accuse fraud is at play here.

Nice work!
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Oct 26, 2015, 11:55 am

Just so you know, we are not making any money off this flaw.

We have not placed Any bets on MN Daily 3.

Our goal here is to expose the computer generated flaw; a flaw that is either by accident or by design.

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Oct 26, 2015, 12:13 pm

I tip my hat to you Jade. I couldn't do it. I would be betting like there is no tomorrow if I found something like that.

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Oct 26, 2015, 12:23 pm

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Oct 26, 2015
Just so you know, we are not making any money off this flaw.

We have not placed Any bets on MN Daily 3.

Our goal here is to expose the computer generated flaw; a flaw that is either by accident or by design.

If this occurs, only in position 1 and not the other 2 positions. It could be either a accident or a flaw. The only way to find out is to track it. If it stops and starts again in another position, I would say designed flaw. You are good, Doug.
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Oct 26, 2015, 12:24 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LonniC on Oct 26, 2015
I honestly believe that these states have gone to computer generated drawings to make it easier for them to cheat. I don't think it is so much an individual doing it, but it is the management companies manipulating the results to show that they are profitable. They make a lot of money managing these lotteries and the more revenue they pull in the more they make.

Illinois just went to computer generated and they keep telling us that they have all sorts of security to be sure no-one can hack they system.

I am not as concerned with someone hacking the system after the system is in place as I am with the lottery company writing the original software to cheat. Who is checking that? I believe it was Tennessee that had the problem where the software was not allowing double or triple numbers to be selected and they finally admitted there was a programming error. My question is, why in the world was the software doing any kind of checks on doubles or triples? All the software was supposed to do is pick the numbers 0 to 9 three different times. The only check should have been if the number was between 0 and 9. A 4th grader could have done that.

Illinois fired Northstar (the lottery management company) because they weren't generating the profits they had promised the state, but it doesn't go into effect until 2017. Immediately after it was announced they had been fired, Northstar went to computer generated drawings. I am beginning to think they did it so they could manipulate the results with questionable software and hopefully convince Illinois to keep them as the management company. The jackpot for the Lucky Day Lotto drawing went to I believe a record high and was mysteriously won as soon as people started screaming foul on the Illinois lottery facebook page. Northstar is convinced that the higher the jackpot, the more people will play and the higher the profits will be. So I think they are just preventing a win until a huge jackpot is reached.

We don't have a months worth of data to check yet, but I'll bet once we get enough to test, Illinois will have funny patterns like you are seeing too.

yep, lottery industry cheating is a concern.

on large scale combinations it may be easy, but down at these small scale numbers, 0 - 9, it's a little harder to hide.

we suspect if there is some cheat built in, the MN Lottery will either change it or they will just eliminate first digit betting altogether.

kind of brings up images of a shady backroom gambling place and the roulette wheel is rigged; the guy presses the button under the table just as the ball is falling into your winning slot.

Then magically pops out into another losing slot and he says, "Awe, Almost..!"

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Oct 26, 2015, 12:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Oct 25, 2015
Here's example of 10,000 samples of clockwise moves.

The right side axis is the clockwise moves 1 to 10.

As you scroll right you can see the darker and lighter patterns.

Also, you'll notice some gaps, but not many and not usually at the same time.

This is to be expected for a normal random selection.

a typo: "The right side axis is the clockwise moves 1 to 10."

should be 'left side' not 'right'.

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Oct 26, 2015, 1:24 pm

I tested all 3 positions for my mid, evening and combined games and nothing showed up

but I only tested the x + 6,7,8.

I would say that the MN lottery needs to check this out because something is up.

Good catch.

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Oct 26, 2015, 1:26 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LonniC on Oct 26, 2015
Very interesting Jade!

Was Minnesota one of the states that was down for a few days? If it was, did the pattern continue after they came back up? I'm wondering if they suspected something too and took it down to check.

Well, that might not be entirely true about website not being down.

Minnesota and Iowa both share the 'All or Nothing' game, that's the extent of a connection.

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Oct 26, 2015, 2:00 pm

Excellent!

Jade can you program this for 50 draws or less?

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Oct 26, 2015, 2:04 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Oct 26, 2015
Excellent!

Jade can you program this for 50 draws or less?

We can setup an open ended Excel file so you can just plugin your numbers.

Let's us jump on our server for a bit and we'll get back to ya in a few.

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Oct 26, 2015, 3:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Oct 26, 2015
Excellent!

Jade can you program this for 50 draws or less?

Ok, we made a basic Excel file that can work with 365 Pick 3 and Pick 4 draws.

Just delete the example data and fill in.

It also has charts to start with and have been setup with the transparent blurred points.

You can see how it was made by looking at the settings.

It might help guide you in making your own charts for other types of data.

The file is at:

http://www.jadexcode.com/files/excel/Pick3andPick4MeterMadeMathMoves-00.xlsx

or

ftp://www.jadexcode.com/excel/Pick3andPick4MeterMadeMathMoves-00.xlsx

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