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May 28, 2025, 9:40 am

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on May 27, 2025
Below are the top 30 of all sums from 649:
150 - 165772
149 - 165732
151 - 165732
148 - 165490
152 - 165490
147 - 165176
153 - 165176
146 - 164654
154 - 164654
145 - 164062
155 - 164062
144 - 163273
156 - 163273
143 - 162410
157 - 162410
142 - 161354
158 - 161354
141 - 160236
159 - 160236
140 - 158923
160 - 158923
139 - 157554
161 - 157554
138 - 156004
162 - 156004
137 - 154397
163 - 154397
136 - 152617
164 - 152617
135 - 150794

Here are the top 30 from all lottery draws (3477):
141 - 54
155 - 53
142 - 46
147 - 46
167 - 46
135 - 44
151 - 44
157 - 43
144 - 42
149 - 42
152 - 42
158 - 42
166 - 42
153 - 41
138 - 40
154 - 40
164 - 40
150 - 39
161 - 39
134 - 38
145 - 38
146 - 38
169 - 38
173 - 38
131 - 37
136 - 37
159 - 37
172 - 37
125 - 36
128 - 36

There is 70% match between groups. What does this indicate? A significant portion of jackpots is generated from the top sums. Naturally, because these sums have the most combinations. That's the reason I pay so much attention to sums, the big ones in particular.

Structure of a wheel determines winners. I test for this using ROIs.

I already play the system for real. Got through 2 draws already, 2 more to go for May. Really curious to see what comes out of it. Totally uncharted territory.

I Checked the sums From Ontario 49 and BC 49 via A+

The results are pretty well the same averages (Sums 116 thru Sums 184)

Here are the results for both drawings thru May 24th.

Ontario 49

And BC 49 thru May 24th

For myself I think I'd start leaning a bit towards the 116-150 sums as 1 of the filters.

There are too many other filters involved in choosing numbers to play at this point.

Maybe I'll choose some of the numbers in those wheels and start filtering from there.
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May 29, 2025, 6:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LottoBux on May 28, 2025
I Checked the sums From Ontario 49 and BC 49 via A+

The results are pretty well the same averages (Sums 116 thru Sums 184)

Here are the results for both drawings thru May 24th.

Ontario 49

And BC 49 thru May 24th

For myself I think I'd start leaning a bit towards the 116-150 sums as 1 of the filters.

There are too many other filters involved in choosing numbers to play at this point.

Maybe I'll choose some of the numbers in those wheels and start filtering from there.

All lotteries will have their own dynamics so comparisons will always differ.

Originally I planned to go with best sums from actual BC49 draws. But then I reconsidered. Now I play sums from 135 to 165 from all 649 possible combinations.

There are to criteria for selection:

1) 50 draws ROI must be 60% or more

2) ROI for 25 draws must be 70% minimum (I tightened this condition as there were too many candidates with 60%).

Of these only the best 2 are chosen.
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Jun 2, 2025, 12:31 pm

Playing the best of the best strategy.

When I ventured into this new methodology I intended to increase ROIs from my previous 30-40% average range into 50-60% range. It looks like this methodology can easily exceed this.

For a wheel to reach 70+% ROI level in 25 draws it must have several 4 number winners. It cannot get there by only 2+ & 3 number winners, no statistical chance. Higher than 4 prizes are excluded from this ROI. Below is an example of what I mean:

S139-T15-wheel(7) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S140-T15-wheel(13) - 76%
Win 4: 3
S141-T15-wheel(20) - 72%
Win 4: 2
S145-T15-wheel(4) - 76%
Win 4: 2
S149-T15-wheel(9) - 81%
Win 4: 3
S149-T15-wheel(18) - 86%
Win 4: 3
S151-T15-wheel(2) - 101%
Win 4: 4
S153-T15-wheel(11) - 126%
Win 4: 5
S154-T15-wheel(16) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S155-T15-wheel(19) - 80%
Win 4: 2
S159-T15-wheel(10) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S160-T15-wheel(5) - 86%
Win 4: 3

Average for one wheel is about 3.

Take 2 of such wheels. Both are totally independent from each other. Together their potential for winning 4 numbers is 3 + 3 = 6. In 25 draws. This means about 2 4 number wins in 1 month (8 draws). This may easily push play ROI into 80+% territory, and occasionally above break even (as demonstrated above).

There is another aspect of 4 number winner frequency. 3 wins in 25 draws means 3 in 375 tickets (15 x 25), 1 in just 125. But my lottery tells me that this is supposed to happen only 1 in 1033 tickets. Does this mean we have 88% odds reduction? How about higher prizes? It appears that the higher the prize level the greater the odds reduction. How about prizes of 5, 5+ and 6? And is this odds reduction only linear or (gulp) - exponential? I don't have enough data to answer these questions but backtracks indicated that quite a number of wheels had 5 number winners already.

Clearly, it is not the numbers that win lotteries, it is their distribution. Remove randomness (by playing all numbers) and you get a totally different ball game.

This sums up my presentation of the new methodology. What's next? Keep playing, obviously. After all, it looks like there is little, if anything, to loose.
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Jun 4, 2025, 7:49 am

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jun 2, 2025
Playing the best of the best strategy.

When I ventured into this new methodology I intended to increase ROIs from my previous 30-40% average range into 50-60% range. It looks like this methodology can easily exceed this.

For a wheel to reach 70+% ROI level in 25 draws it must have several 4 number winners. It cannot get there by only 2+ & 3 number winners, no statistical chance. Higher than 4 prizes are excluded from this ROI. Below is an example of what I mean:

S139-T15-wheel(7) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S140-T15-wheel(13) - 76%
Win 4: 3
S141-T15-wheel(20) - 72%
Win 4: 2
S145-T15-wheel(4) - 76%
Win 4: 2
S149-T15-wheel(9) - 81%
Win 4: 3
S149-T15-wheel(18) - 86%
Win 4: 3
S151-T15-wheel(2) - 101%
Win 4: 4
S153-T15-wheel(11) - 126%
Win 4: 5
S154-T15-wheel(16) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S155-T15-wheel(19) - 80%
Win 4: 2
S159-T15-wheel(10) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S160-T15-wheel(5) - 86%
Win 4: 3

Average for one wheel is about 3.

Take 2 of such wheels. Both are totally independent from each other. Together their potential for winning 4 numbers is 3 + 3 = 6. In 25 draws. This means about 2 4 number wins in 1 month (8 draws). This may easily push play ROI into 80+% territory, and occasionally above break even (as demonstrated above).

There is another aspect of 4 number winner frequency. 3 wins in 25 draws means 3 in 375 tickets (15 x 25), 1 in just 125. But my lottery tells me that this is supposed to happen only 1 in 1033 tickets. Does this mean we have 88% odds reduction? How about higher prizes? It appears that the higher the prize level the greater the odds reduction. How about prizes of 5, 5+ and 6? And is this odds reduction only linear or (gulp) - exponential? I don't have enough data to answer these questions but backtracks indicated that quite a number of wheels had 5 number winners already.

Clearly, it is not the numbers that win lotteries, it is their distribution. Remove randomness (by playing all numbers) and you get a totally different ball game.

This sums up my presentation of the new methodology. What's next? Keep playing, obviously. After all, it looks like there is little, if anything, to loose.

"backtracks indicated that quite a number of wheels had 5 number winners already."

FoRwArDtrackz wit Probability Math ,izz the ONLY way to know whut Numberz to put in AnY wheel..

Playa649? Enuf Blackboard tawk, start showing some reeaal lottery tickets...

I'm shurre I can speak fa most playaz at diz point, STOPP all dat....

Shoulda, Coulda , Woulda

cauze HollyWOULD, if Holly COULD

But since YOU ain't,most likely mean YOU cain't

-Stat$talker
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Jun 4, 2025, 8:32 pm

You obliged me, Stat$

In May I could play only last 4 draws.

Here are the results:
There was 1 winner (4 numbers) and some change (1x3 and 4x2+). This gave the total of $105 won against $120 played, with ROI at 87.5%, within expected range between 70% % 120%.

Here is the link to the tickets in Imgur (hope Todd will not mind). I won't bother with the change.

https://imgur.com/a/V1Y32T6
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Jun 5, 2025, 2:01 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jun 4, 2025
You obliged me, Stat$

In May I could play only last 4 draws.

Here are the results:
There was 1 winner (4 numbers) and some change (1x3 and 4x2+). This gave the total of $105 won against $120 played, with ROI at 87.5%, within expected range between 70% % 120%.

Here is the link to the tickets in Imgur (hope Todd will not mind). I won't bother with the change.

https://imgur.com/a/V1Y32T6

"Here is the link to the tickets in Imgur (hope Todd will not mind)."

Welcome aboard Mate..! Wheaa the reeal Playaz SHOOW UP...and just whyyyy couldn't YOU play only the "last 4 draws"?...

Were you THAT far out to Sea, just couldn't make it back in time to play?..Ole Stat$ tried to warn ya to git back to Dry land...!

But, you failed to post THE winning Numbers for THIS draw...and also,Todd haz loong since made it much easier to post Yo ticketz, cauze naah, you can upload 'em to LP in yo postz direct from yo device... So, ya no longer have to say...

"Charlie sent Me"

Guess it takes awhile to git updated memoz & messages out at sea, even delivered by SeaGullz

Lookz to be a good job, so far.."Trust, but VeRiFy"...

-Stat$talker
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Jun 7, 2025, 5:14 pm

@Player649

I use sums as a filter in a 6/44 lottery... I see from your screen shots from above that you are using GH software...

There are 2859 sample drawings from this lotto...

Numbers in this sample that are within the GH Balanced Sum of: 70.51%... That Range is: 104 to 165...

Numbers in this sample that are within one standard deviation: 66.00%... That Range is: 106 to 162...

Interesting that GH Balanced Sum is so close to one standard deviation...

Good luck to all!!!
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Jun 7, 2025, 10:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ddude003 on Jun 7, 2025
@Player649

I use sums as a filter in a 6/44 lottery... I see from your screen shots from above that you are using GH software...

There are 2859 sample drawings from this lotto...

Numbers in this sample that are within the GH Balanced Sum of: 70.51%... That Range is: 104 to 165...

Numbers in this sample that are within one standard deviation: 66.00%... That Range is: 106 to 162...

Interesting that GH Balanced Sum is so close to one standard deviation...

Good luck to all!!!

I see from your screen shots from above that you are using GH software..

Actually not, I've never used GH software, or any other third party software for that matter, always my own, starting from, based on GW-Basic, rather clumsy and very simple, creation.

I know very little about GH software, only whatever was discussed about it in LP, which was seldom & far between.

The screens displayed earlier come from Python shell output.

The idea of sums comes from Pick 3 where sums are widely discussed and used, although there were some very rear mentions about their use for jackpot lotteries. This was the first time I applied them to jackpot lottery. They served the purpose of splitting 13.9M total combinations into smaller homogeneous groups to which further filters were applied.
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Jun 8, 2025, 3:35 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jun 7, 2025
I see from your screen shots from above that you are using GH software..

Actually not, I've never used GH software, or any other third party software for that matter, always my own, starting from, based on GW-Basic, rather clumsy and very simple, creation.

I know very little about GH software, only whatever was discussed about it in LP, which was seldom & far between.

The screens displayed earlier come from Python shell output.

The idea of sums comes from Pick 3 where sums are widely discussed and used, although there were some very rear mentions about their use for jackpot lotteries. This was the first time I applied them to jackpot lottery. They served the purpose of splitting 13.9M total combinations into smaller homogeneous groups to which further filters were applied.

"Actually not, I've never used GH software, or any other third party software for that matter,'

Soundz like YOU'VE been studying outta dat #45 / 47'z skill book..tellin us that whut we see, izzn't whut we see...

Let'z see if we can git a real Python to squeeze da Truth outta ya Playa649.

You know you're uzin moe than yo own software..

--Stat$talker
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Jun 8, 2025, 5:24 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jun 7, 2025
I see from your screen shots from above that you are using GH software..

Actually not, I've never used GH software, or any other third party software for that matter, always my own, starting from, based on GW-Basic, rather clumsy and very simple, creation.

I know very little about GH software, only whatever was discussed about it in LP, which was seldom & far between.

The screens displayed earlier come from Python shell output.

The idea of sums comes from Pick 3 where sums are widely discussed and used, although there were some very rear mentions about their use for jackpot lotteries. This was the first time I applied them to jackpot lottery. They served the purpose of splitting 13.9M total combinations into smaller homogeneous groups to which further filters were applied.

It sure does look like (G)ail (H)oward's Advantage Gold's Sum Tracking F1 Range Bias chart...

I guess the little Golden A in the upper left gave it away...

I guess you were just quoting it from LottoBux...

My point still stands re sums, GH and one standard deviation...
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Jun 8, 2025, 10:27 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ddude003 on Jun 8, 2025
It sure does look like (G)ail (H)oward's Advantage Gold's Sum Tracking F1 Range Bias chart...

I guess the little Golden A in the upper left gave it away...

I guess you were just quoting it from LottoBux...

My point still stands re sums, GH and one standard deviation...

This is the latest run of my Python software. Looks definitely like GH's doesn't it?

Python 3.13.0 (tags/v3.13.0:60403a5, Oct 7 2024, 09:38:07) [MSC v.1941 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more information.

========== RESTART: C:\Python\Project-BC49\BC49Play\PlayBacktracks.py ==========
Loading all draws...
3482 draws loaded
Loading sums for playing...
31 sums loaded

Backtracking 25 draws

S139-T15-wheel(7) - 77%
Win 4: 3
S140-T15-wheel(13) - 76%
Win 4: 3
S145-T15-wheel(4) - 77%
Win 4: 2
S149-T15-wheel(9) - 80%
Win 4: 3
S149-T15-wheel(18) - 104%
Win 4: 4
S151-T15-wheel(2) - 97%
Win 4: 4
S153-T15-wheel(11) - 126%
Win 4: 5
S154-T15-wheel(16) - 85%
Win 4: 3
S155-T15-wheel(19) - 72%
Win 4: 2
S159-T15-wheel(10) - 84%
Win 4: 3
S160-T15-wheel(5) - 84%
Win 4: 3

2 of these wheels were selected for playing this coming Wednesday June 11th.
If your GH claim is true, you should also know which ones. Give it a shot, ddude, consult the GH oracle...whatever the bias.
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Jun 9, 2025, 12:27 am

And here I thought you wanted some input on your "New play methodology"... Well its not "New"... I have been using things similar to what you think is new for over 15 years... I guess I will just say that you may be on the right track...

I use GH software to sanity check some basic algorithms I cooked up along the way...

I will say that the Lottery has been very good to me...

BTY, I smalltalk with a lisp and carry a big class library, also prototype with R... Pythons got nothing on Lisp...

P.S. Looks like your "I play sums from 135 to 165" is approximately the average between the GH middle two sums range...
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Jun 10, 2025, 8:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ddude003 on Jun 9, 2025
And here I thought you wanted some input on your "New play methodology"... Well its not "New"... I have been using things similar to what you think is new for over 15 years... I guess I will just say that you may be on the right track...

I use GH software to sanity check some basic algorithms I cooked up along the way...

I will say that the Lottery has been very good to me...

BTY, I smalltalk with a lisp and carry a big class library, also prototype with R... Pythons got nothing on Lisp...

P.S. Looks like your "I play sums from 135 to 165" is approximately the average between the GH middle two sums range...

And here I thought you wanted some input on your "New play methodology"... Well its not "New"... I have been using things similar to what you think is new for over 15 years... I guess I will just say that you may be on the right track...

Does GH software use custom made wheels based on sums as well? If not then it doesn't come even close to what I'm doing. I don't select any numbers, use wheels only based on sums. All wheels have all the numbers. And these wheels performance is the basis for playing selections, not any relationships between sums.

BTW, to answer my own question from the post above (I guess GH software did not have the answer) these 2 wheels were played:
S154-T15-wheel(16) & S160-T15-wheel(5). They come from different sums. Maybe GH software can find a relationship between these sums because I've got no clue. They were selected due to their ROIs and ROIs are not sum but generated cash, related.

Therefore, if GH software allows generating custom wheels (of any size) containing all the numbers for any sum, and computing their ROIs it could be of some use to me. But I suspect it cannot and thus is completely useless to me. Therefore, there is no connection between my methodology and GH software.

And, regarding things you've been using for over 15 years, any more details on that? I was quite explicit with details about my methodology. Just for comparison...

I use GH software to sanity check some basic algorithms I cooked up along the way...

I use ROI from actual play for this check. Percents displayed in the post above are such ROI checks.

BTY, I smalltalk with a lisp and carry a big class library, also prototype with R... Pythons got nothing on Lisp...

But as long as it helps to generate cash it's good enough for me. Lottery data processing does not require sophisticated processing. But, if it does, I would like to see statistical comparison.

P.S. Looks like your "I play sums from 135 to 165" is approximately the average between the GH middle two sums range...

Actually, this is not precisely how I arrived at the range of sums 135 to 165. Below is the list of most populous sums in 649. I took only those with 150 K or more members. Whatever other relationships betweens these sums were never of any concern.

150 - 165772
149 - 165732
151 - 165732
148 - 165490
152 - 165490
147 - 165176
153 - 165176
146 - 164654
154 - 164654
145 - 164062
155 - 164062
144 - 163273
156 - 163273
143 - 162410
157 - 162410
142 - 161354
158 - 161354
141 - 160236
159 - 160236
140 - 158923
160 - 158923
139 - 157554
161 - 157554
138 - 156004
162 - 156004
137 - 154397
163 - 154397
136 - 152617
164 - 152617
135 - 150794
165 - 150794

Because there are result similarities from independent (and trivial) computations this does not imply that one must come from the other.
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Jun 10, 2025, 8:45 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stat$talker on Jun 8, 2025
"Actually not, I've never used GH software, or any other third party software for that matter,'

Soundz like YOU'VE been studying outta dat #45 / 47'z skill book..tellin us that whut we see, izzn't whut we see...

Let'z see if we can git a real Python to squeeze da Truth outta ya Playa649.

You know you're uzin moe than yo own software..

--Stat$talker

I guess you are salivating for the code I use. Here it is. But I need to warn you, you still will have to do some homework. But, considering your lottery & math expertise, I'm positive that's a peace of cake for you.

# ------------------------------------------------------ Run program -----------------------------------------------------
# load lists from files
LoadLists()

# compute backtracks
ComputeBacktracks()

# ----------------------------------------------------------- End ------------------------------------------------------------
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Jun 10, 2025, 9:13 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jun 10, 2025
I guess you are salivating for the code I use. Here it is. But I need to warn you, you still will have to do some homework. But, considering your lottery & math expertise, I'm positive that's a peace of cake for you.

# ------------------------------------------------------ Run program -----------------------------------------------------
# load lists from files
LoadLists()

# compute backtracks
ComputeBacktracks()

# ----------------------------------------------------------- End ------------------------------------------------------------

"I guess you are salivating for the code I use."

Pharaoh Playa649 ? GOD'z Code ,swallowz up ALL Snakes, whetha Cobraz, or Pythonz..

Amen

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