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Jul 13, 2017, 10:24 pm

Quote: Originally posted by adobea78 on Jul 13, 2017
In depth knowledge of ' Null hypothesis' will suffice.

A type of hypothesis used in statistics that proposes that no statistical significance exists in a set of given observations.-Any inclination of algorithm is deem null and void, why? The premise of the game is suppose to be random . One thing I find peculiar about folks who do not subscribe to this premise of the game, why do you continue to play? I see folks adding 999, -1, flip mirrors etc, inadvertently randomizing their workout, yet they deny the premise !

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Is the random outcome(for this draw) predictable within playable count? Are random outcomes predictable?

What parameters or characteristics make a pre-test draw or a machine or a ball set not worthy of running the actual draw(not capable of picking the random draw for the day)?
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Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Jul 13, 2017
In Jackpot games:

Is the random outcome(for this draw) predictable within playable count? Are random outcomes predictable?

What parameters or characteristics make a pre-test draw or a machine or a ball set not worthy of running the actual draw(not capable of picking the random draw for the day)?

The word prediction refers to level of uncertainty, no one knows the outcome of the next event/s. The parameters or characteristics that will give the slightest inclination of algorithm is tested with the null hypothesis and voided. I will not dwell much on the pre-test, they can ran 10,20,1000 of them, it does not change the exclusivity of each draw-previous draws has no impact on the next draw.
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Jul 13, 2017, 11:46 pm

Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Jul 13, 2017
In Jackpot games:

Is the random outcome(for this draw) predictable within playable count? Are random outcomes predictable?

What parameters or characteristics make a pre-test draw or a machine or a ball set not worthy of running the actual draw(not capable of picking the random draw for the day)?

At least in the P3 & P4 if the same number comes up too many times in the same position, they will pull the ball set. Say if a number comes up 3 times in 5 pre draws, they may do a couple more. If it comes up again, the ball set is out. The ASSUMPTION is somebody tampered with them. But with all the security measures how would it be possible? I suppose they don't want to consider that it might just be a random occurrence. But when it happens in the official drawing, that's what they would claim.

There are plenty of you tube videos on lottery drawing procedures. I would think the computer drawings would be easier to tamper with.

List Pick 3 singles by low sums, high sums. Separate each sum row by consecutive pair and non consecutive pair combos. These 3 pair groups. 14 17 47, 25 28 58, 36 39 69 are in 63 combos. 54 combos do not have them. Which sums do the 3 pair groups appear and not appear? Look at root sum groups 147, 258, 369. Play accordingly.
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Jul 13, 2017, 11:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jul 13, 2017
At least in the P3 & P4 if the same number comes up too many times in the same position, they will pull the ball set. Say if a number comes up 3 times in 5 pre draws, they may do a couple more. If it comes up again, the ball set is out. The ASSUMPTION is somebody tampered with them. But with all the security measures how would it be possible? I suppose they don't want to consider that it might just be a random occurrence. But when it happens in the official drawing, that's what they would claim.

There are plenty of you tube videos on lottery drawing procedures. I would think the computer drawings would be easier to tamper with.

True.

I mentioned JP games because so many guys who post predictions for p3 and p4 backout when it comes to JP games...

Pick 3 and pick 4 numbers cycle sooner...

Best example of tampering is Tipton and the way he did it and used it
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Jul 14, 2017, 12:51 pm

Quote: Originally posted by adobea78 on Jul 13, 2017
Predictable trends and factors are 'post-events', why not generate predictable trends based on selected parameter?

I only play jackpot games so selected parameters as well as trends and anything else that will limit the number of lines to an affordable amount is used.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Jul 14, 2017, 6:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Jul 13, 2017
True.

How can something that is drawn from such secured machine(physically), that has no parameterization except duration between pulling a ball from the pool categorized as not so random.

What makes them come to a conclusion that it's not random.

What makes them come to a conclusion that it's not random.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the million dollar question. However, they have masked their reasoning by saying the machines need to be pre-tested before conducting an official draw. What this does is allow them to effectively disrupt what would be 'natural randomness' in lieu of their 'created randomness' which, once again, brings me to the same point I've made forever. *You cannot create random. From one clean official draw to the very next one is the way it should be unless a problem is encountered on that draw. This is when they would be justified in switching machines and/or ball sets. As it stands, though, it's pretty much like the dealer at the Black Jack table shuffling the cards, dealing out five different 'pre-hands' before dealing out the 'official hand' to actually play with. .................

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

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Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jul 14, 2017
What makes them come to a conclusion that it's not random.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the million dollar question. However, they have masked their reasoning by saying the machines need to be pre-tested before conducting an official draw. What this does is allow them to effectively disrupt what would be 'natural randomness' in lieu of their 'created randomness' which, once again, brings me to the same point I've made forever. *You cannot create random. From one clean official draw to the very next one is the way it should be unless a problem is encountered on that draw. This is when they would be justified in switching machines and/or ball sets. As it stands, though, it's pretty much like the dealer at the Black Jack table shuffling the cards, dealing out five different 'pre-hands' before dealing out the 'official hand' to actually play with. .................

I-agree..

Imagine-betting-10-bucks-on-the-number-7-on-roulette,then-the-dealer-spins-the-wheel-landing-on-7...you-jump-for-joy-but-the-dealer-says-NO!!!...that-one-doesn't-count,-I-have-to-do-6-more-spins-before-the-official-spin..

The-casinos-would-be-empty....DUH!!!

Why-is-this-concept-so-difficult-for-people-to-understand?
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Jul 15, 2017, 7:00 pm

"disrupt what would be 'natural randomness' "

Right. Would you like to explain how a procedure that produces random results when you do it x times per week becomes non-random if you do it 5x or 7x times per week?
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Jul 16, 2017, 12:41 am

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jul 15, 2017
"disrupt what would be 'natural randomness' "

Right. Would you like to explain how a procedure that produces random results when you do it x times per week becomes non-random if you do it 5x or 7x times per week?

Adding more chaos on top of existing chaos
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Jul 16, 2017, 3:02 pm

Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Jul 16, 2017
Adding more chaos on top of existing chaos

So a little bit of chaos makes it random but too much chaos makes it not random? And wouldn't each individual drawing have the same (or similar) amount of chaos?
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Jul 17, 2017, 5:27 am

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jul 16, 2017
So a little bit of chaos makes it random but too much chaos makes it not random? And wouldn't each individual drawing have the same (or similar) amount of chaos?

Random events have chaos. Is Chaos measurable?

If so, there may be ways to predict future results.

The math average skip of a powerball combination is in millions. If pre-test results are shown for smaller matrix pick games, We might find some patterns and strategies.
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Jul 18, 2017, 2:48 pm

I guess you all heard of Eddie Tipton. If they pre-test all drawings how was he able to manipulate the computer to spit out pre-selected numbers on a specific date? Wouldn't the pre-draws chew-up his numbers?

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Jul 18, 2017, 3:29 pm

Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jul 12, 2017
IMHO
Anyone who creates and maintains a game history data base has got to know that game outcomes are traveling along what has to be defined as a mysterious and secret 'trend line' composed of many unknown and inconsistent factors.
Many millions of manhours and real money has been spent by dedicated lottery players trying to define and use the trend line to win a prize.
Unfortunately, no one has been able to discover the secrets involved. If they had, we wouldn't have multi-million dollar jackpot prizes.
A method that was successful today may not be worth anything tomorrow.
Every day we read posts filed by folks who believe in their heart of hearts that they have unscrambled the trend line secrets and precisely 'know' what will happen next.
Some of these folks go so far as to offer their discoveries for a price. And, many uninformed players stand in line with money in hand to give the method a try.
I've learned via experience that just about any interpretation of the 'trend line' will eventually hit the nail on the head, so to speak, and win a prize.
But, unfortunately, methods that produced a 4 of 5 win in Cash 5 for one drawing after many, many tries, may never win again.
One of LP's lottery experts, BopP, says there are two basic components in lottery play - mathematical and holistic.
There are tons of evidence demonstrating that predictions based on mathematical models alone can be costly and unrewarding.
This is not to say that holistic models are superior.
Holistic means establishing tracking charts and using 'guesswork' to choose which numbers seem to have the best chance of being in the next winning combination.
The record is clear - people are finding ways to win, only if it's a now and then situation.
So it seems that any rational strategy and method will eventually pay off.
All we have to do is have faith and confidence in our techniques and financial resources to cover the expenses, which will probably never be recovered.
Lottery tests are a fact of life.
If we believe the tests are the reason we are not winning, then there is only one recourse - quit playing.
Otherwise, we can study game history trends, map winning numbers with rational tracking methods and create a definitive 'attack plan' capable of providing winning results, without worrying about what other people are doing.
It's a truly 'to each his own' pathway in life that may win, or not.

There is no such thing as a "Secret Trend Line"

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Jul 18, 2017, 3:58 pm

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jul 12, 2017
You mean did the pre-draw testing have an effect on his ability to predict the winning numbers? That would depend on at least two things.

One is whether or not the code differentiates between test drawings and the official drawing. If the test drawings are different in any way then the reasonable conclusion is that he'd have written code that let him predict the official drawing, and he'd have no interest in the test drawings. A lottery that had robust security (which, IMHO, rules out any of the ones that didn't know they had compromised code) would simply generate a set of numbers and there would be no difference at all between tests and the official drawing in terms of the code or what the computer does.

That leads to the second thing. If the number of test drawings is fixed predicting the official result that comes after the known number of tests may be no different than predicting the results for any particular date. It's all about knowing exactly what the code will do to generate the numbers. FWIW, I'm under the impression that he wasn't able to predict with perfect accuracy. That could be the result of a number of things, and test drawings is one of them. I wonder if investigators have checked to see how many tickets were sold with the combinations that came up during the test drawings?

Aside from testing to see that there's no obvious departure from proper functioning, the possibility that the code is compromised would be a one reason to have a variable number of tests instead of a fixed number. IMHO having avariable number of tests is the only logical procedure for a process that's designed to generate random results, anyway.

Any-one (each) draw doesn't have anything at all to do with any other draw, they are all independent events, they are not connected in any form or way.

Every time that there is a pick 3 draw, including pre and post draws, each of the 1000 straight pick 3 numbers has an equal chance, always.

There can be a million pre and post draws and that will not affect anybodies prediction ability, if you want to predict pre-draws then you study and predict for pre-draws, if you want to predict post-draws then you study and predict for post draws, if you want to predict winning draws, they you study and predict for wining draws.

Predicting things of chance is not easy or even not possible, so people will not blame themselves for not being able to predict the winning numbers, they will blame the pre and the post draws or they will blame the state lotteries or even Trump, they will blame anything and anybody other than themselves.

It doesn't matter if there are 10 million pre and post draws, all draws are unique and they don't have anything to do with any other draws.

I have said it a zillion times already "The only thing that "Relates" or "Connects" one draw with any other draw are statistics", but statistics or no statistics in reality one draw doesn't have anything at all to do with any other draw.

Statistics is a kind of "make believe" thing, that we make-up, but the nature of chance is such that it works to some extent, due to that there is no such thing as "chance" there are only universal laws that never change, for every action there is a re-action, there is nothing "random" about that.

And there is no such thing as a trend line, such trend lines are only mind things that we make up, they are make believe things, I of course used them when making my predictions, but they are only "real" in our minds in a make believe way, that doesn't mean that they don't help us predict the winning numbers, after all "random" itself is a make believe thing, I also said it a zillion times before "There is no such thing as "random"".

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Jul 18, 2017, 4:04 pm

Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Jul 13, 2017
In Jackpot games:

Is the random outcome(for this draw) predictable within playable count? Are random outcomes predictable?

What parameters or characteristics make a pre-test draw or a machine or a ball set not worthy of running the actual draw(not capable of picking the random draw for the day)?

There is no such thing as "random", it only appears to be, it appears to be to the mind.

What is really predictable" to some extent are "statistics".

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