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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Mar 29, 2022
Interesting question. Such a question requires some careful thought and consideration in a large sense.

One person might define a number as just a symbol used to define a cout, an amount or a length, width, height, rainfall, snowfall, speed of the wind, temperature, or waves.

Then let astrologers or someone with experience in numerology, or even dreams define what numbers mean. And compare the definitions. Different perspective; different answer.

666? 911? 432? 1? 7? They all mean something to everyone.

Do numbers "understand" their meaning, or what we relate them too, like a dog we give a name and when we say, "Come here Brandy!" they come running, (except Brandy who waits to "Come on, Brandy!")

What about prime numbers, Fibonacci sequence, Pascal Triangle, tessellations, and pi? Do they have special qualities or are they just symbols used to represent a count, an amount, or a measurement?

Do numbers understand the connotation we attribute to them?
Do the comprehend their relationship to each other?

My view is before we can consider memory, numbers have to have an understanding of their attributes, relationships, and symbolism.

Maybe what we're seeing is the universe using numbers to teach us, to guide us, or as a joke?

G

Wondering about the Texas Lottery pre-drawing tests. When a ball set fails, bagged, and placed back on the shelf, do the balls remember the days when they banged into each other while in forced air cabinet?

Do they turn away from that one numbered ball that was showing off and drawn to many times?

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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Mar 30, 2022
Wondering about the Texas Lottery pre-drawing tests. When a ball set fails, bagged, and placed back on the shelf, do the balls remember the days when they banged into each other while in forced air cabinet?

Do they turn away from that one numbered ball that was showing off and drawn to many times?

Absolutely...........................a good question!

Maybe, like bar-b-q sauce, the balls have no feelings of jealousy? They are a product of reasoning and logic.
Or maybe they're playing Rock, Paper, Scissors to see who gets drawn next?

Maybe memory and understanding aren't the term we're looking for?
Perhaps symmetry is a better description (which then leads back to another unanswered question of natural position).

Still, people continue to find digits, pairs, triples, triggers, followers and whatnot, that do produce a certain outcome.

So, we either admit there is something to it, or we reject any such notion and hold that LP is populated with a bunch of crazies, and everything is happenstance.

If I'm the only crazy here, it goes back to Hebrew. Each letter of the Hebrew alphabet also represents a number which means there is value in every word. Then gematria, a spiritual interpretation of numbers in an effort to understand sacred texts, holds that odd numbers are lucky, while even numbers are bad luck.

Maybe that means the world is only crazy in even numbered years?
Or its all science fiction? Your choice.....

https://www.gaia.com/article/what-is-gematria

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Mar 29, 2022
Interesting question. Such a question requires some careful thought and consideration in a large sense.

One person might define a number as just a symbol used to define a cout, an amount or a length, width, height, rainfall, snowfall, speed of the wind, temperature, or waves.

Then let astrologers or someone with experience in numerology, or even dreams define what numbers mean. And compare the definitions. Different perspective; different answer.

666? 911? 432? 1? 7? They all mean something to everyone.

Do numbers "understand" their meaning, or what we relate them too, like a dog we give a name and when we say, "Come here Brandy!" they come running, (except Brandy who waits to "Come on, Brandy!")

What about prime numbers, Fibonacci sequence, Pascal Triangle, tessellations, and pi? Do they have special qualities or are they just symbols used to represent a count, an amount, or a measurement?

Do numbers understand the connotation we attribute to them?
Do the comprehend their relationship to each other?

My view is before we can consider memory, numbers have to have an understanding of their attributes, relationships, and symbolism.

Maybe what we're seeing is the universe using numbers to teach us, to guide us, or as a joke?

G

In astrology, math, numerology, science, numbers count for something unlike lottery where the numbers don't even stand in for numbers. On the other hand, entire industries are built around memory in materials. All the springs in our cars have a memory of their neutral position and return to it as soon as possible, as do the plastics in lottery balls. I'm not married to this, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility the properties of the plastic each ball is molded of is slightly different, thicker here, thinner there, more or less flexible resulting in slightly difference bounce. Might make no difference what-so-ever.

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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 30, 2022
In astrology, math, numerology, science, numbers count for something unlike lottery where the numbers don't even stand in for numbers. On the other hand, entire industries are built around memory in materials. All the springs in our cars have a memory of their neutral position and return to it as soon as possible, as do the plastics in lottery balls. I'm not married to this, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility the properties of the plastic each ball is molded of is slightly different, thicker here, thinner there, more or less flexible resulting in slightly difference bounce. Might make no difference what-so-ever.

BobP

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I dont think its so much that the balls have memory. But if MATH is correct, and there is a scientifc basis behind the art of conjecture, than the numbers have to "remember" when it is their time to show. Otherwise the number 1 would just hit everyday forever, like its a Bill Murry movie or something.

You just have to apply the correct or most fundamentally sound...
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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 30, 2022
In astrology, math, numerology, science, numbers count for something unlike lottery where the numbers don't even stand in for numbers. On the other hand, entire industries are built around memory in materials. All the springs in our cars have a memory of their neutral position and return to it as soon as possible, as do the plastics in lottery balls. I'm not married to this, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility the properties of the plastic each ball is molded of is slightly different, thicker here, thinner there, more or less flexible resulting in slightly difference bounce. Might make no difference what-so-ever.

BobP

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BobP I like your thoughts.

We (as a species) will probably never know all there is to know about life in the universe. Most of our science is based on theory and working hypothesis and statistics.

I suppose its like watching a cat. I'm always learning things from my animals. Ma has five kittens.

For the first couple of days she was there for their every need.
Then she would be there when they called.
I noticed last week she'll stay in the perimeter, but she doesn't go to them now. It like she's making the point their milk bottle is no longer coming to them. It time for them to come to the milk bottle. They'll come to the edge of their hideout and cry, and she'll lay a few feet away, no plans to move.

Eventually, one by one, they venture out to see the world and enjoy a free meal while she grooms them. I imagine she's assuring each of them they did good. Each time they get bolder, venturing farther, but always in eye sight.

Yeah, maybe we are asking too much when we assign instinct and purpose to numbered ping pong balls like Ma has. But is it that far out of the realm when I recall a person or a group here who set aside a certain time each day to concentrate on a set of numbers to see if they could will those into being drawn?

I don't recall seeing any results of that endeavor, but I'd like to think it worked; they won and opened a commune in Aruba.

Considering all the crazy ideas floating around in 2022, would it surprise anybody if Ancient Aliens guy, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, started saying aliens are trying to communicate with us through the lottery? (Giorgio, credit me!)

The truth is out there. Maybe way out there, but its out there!

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Quote: Originally posted by Greenfox on Mar 28, 2022
Some more testing if those balls remember anything.

This is the past few LFL draws per here and the NCEL.

The past few draws now with the possible win available with the internal filters on and no odd or even, down or up filtering.

Still with just some internal filters and no odd even or down up filtering. This is the options that was available for the 3-20-2022 draw.

All available options for each position with using 100%, 95% and 90% of the numbers.

The same thing only with using 85% and 80% of the numbers.

And one more time with 75% and 70% of the numbers used.

From 80% to 100% the same possible win was still there. Options deleted as that percentage went down. Less numbers per to pick from.

From 70% to 75%, the win possibility dropped to a 3 of 5 with bonus ball for a $150.00 only win was possible with the options showing.

But what does this have to do with the balls memory? Or how could it be used? What even is the 70% to 100% that I'm speaking about? What if 99% of the time you can use 90% and still have your winning number available for a winning option? What if we know that 87.66% of the time we could use 80% and still have our winning number for an option? How about 77.04% of the time we could use 70%? What if we used 70% for all positions above except for the 5th position and we used 80% and added those 2 extra numbers that it gave? Would that cut our options down?

If the past stays the same, and since we can't go back and change it, I'm assuming it does, what are all the memories from? If we did go back and change the past, would the future be the same? What about if the past changed when the future did? Would the end results remain the same?

Sounds like gibberish, huh? If you read into that with what I've showed, it'll make sense.

I'll leave you to your own interpretations on it.

Filters 5 and 7 cut out the winning number for this draw. Just for future reference. Those could have been turned off though. What good are filters though if we don't use them?

Hey Greenfox

Looks like you have managed to improved the system, you say without O/E or U/D filtering that's super awesome. Keep up the good work 👏...

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Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Mar 29, 2022
the lottery is = a thermodynamic cloud between repetitions, delays = short, medium and long with its cycle, and the empty spaces ( delta) inside the matrix of rows and columns in the cartezian, set a trap (a grid)

That sounds much better than a thermonuclear cloud.

Not exactly sure about the rest of that, but setting a trap I understand.

And abide by in this mess. Only a trap without bait, or not thought out, is just a net in a pond not knowing if any fish are even there.

You don't chase the fish around, you find out where they are and bring them to you. Net in hand.

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Quote: Originally posted by cottoneyedjoe on Mar 29, 2022
Physical balls? No.

A computer pseudo-random number generator program? Hard to say because there are many PRNG algorithms, many methods of seeding the particular algorithm. Ideally, each time the program is run the output should not depend on the previous output and the seed should come from a true-random source. But, there is always the factor of human error and negligence in programming. Maybe somebody out there with poor training in lottery security wrote a program that uses the previous output(s) as the seed. It would be very vulnerable to reverse engineering, but not necessarily easy to detect depending on the underlying algorithm.

Hello cottoneyed,

Thanks for a respectful and honest reply! No name calling, just straight up opinion on the subject.

The data I posted is from a mechanical, balls in hoppers draw. We don't have RNG here. And what I'm proposing is real close to what you're saying. Only it's not exactly. I'm talking about using the results, as they happened exactly, reverse engineering them and programming to remember what happened where, most, when. By doing so, it changes the inner structure from what was to what should be. What I post soon here, will show more and explain more. And it will be easier to see with actual data at hand.

RNG would be much easier, but one would have to have some sort of access to the actual software to see how it runs. I don't have and do not want that. What I'm trying has been working on both types of draws good enough for me.

Thanks for the reply and best of luck!

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Mar 29, 2022
Interesting question. Such a question requires some careful thought and consideration in a large sense.

One person might define a number as just a symbol used to define a cout, an amount or a length, width, height, rainfall, snowfall, speed of the wind, temperature, or waves.

Then let astrologers or someone with experience in numerology, or even dreams define what numbers mean. And compare the definitions. Different perspective; different answer.

666? 911? 432? 1? 7? They all mean something to everyone.

Do numbers "understand" their meaning, or what we relate them too, like a dog we give a name and when we say, "Come here Brandy!" they come running, (except Brandy who waits to "Come on, Brandy!")

What about prime numbers, Fibonacci sequence, Pascal Triangle, tessellations, and pi? Do they have special qualities or are they just symbols used to represent a count, an amount, or a measurement?

Do numbers understand the connotation we attribute to them?
Do the comprehend their relationship to each other?

My view is before we can consider memory, numbers have to have an understanding of their attributes, relationships, and symbolism.

Maybe what we're seeing is the universe using numbers to teach us, to guide us, or as a joke?

G

As always, good to hear from you garyo,

I do not know what numbers are exactly or what their purpose is. If they even actually have one. I only know the things I've saw with them since working on this craziness using them. Saw a lot of things that just should not be possible. That's another topic. It's made me wonder what they were teaching in school when I was there and most definitely now.

Although I was doing algebra in the third grade, I've forgotten most math's since being out of school. Haven't used most of them in a long time, with the exception of a few. Since adult life started. Most math or work with numbers has been doing this for me. You don't need much calculus to read a tape measure or figure box fill to know how big of a wall box to handle all the wires you have at one spot.

I don't believe that the numbers themselves have an actual memory. I've got some craziness in me, but not to that point. I do however believe that they come out when they are supposed to and leave behind a trail that can be followed. One might have to do some manipulating, like sorting into ascending to see it, but a trail nonetheless. It's not something that is programmed into the drawings. It's not something that the LO's would know of and be able to manipulate. It's just the way the draws come out and the data they leave behind. It's just the way it is.

Everything has to have a counterpart to make it work correctly. There is no perpetual motion for a reason. Something else has to be used to give that driving force on everything. The LO's don't set the draws so that odd and even are neck and neck. Same for the larger and smaller. Not even for the skips. They don't need to go about in ways to make that happen, it just happens that way because it's supposed to. Something has to be happening on the inner parts of it all to make it half one way and half the other. I don't know exactly what that is, but has to be something. Something keeps the 3 and 4 draws in check as to the distribution of the numbers. They are all fairly well even as far as past draws. There is something making the draws do what they do and us not have, say an 80% - 20% mix of odd and even for a given position. If there is that, then is there something else that we're not seeing that can be used to follow and attach to a path? Maybe it's a cyclic occurrence? This happens for a certain amount of days, event's, or whatever, then it changes to the next cycle. But then what is driving that cycle?

Just throwing out the ideas that this mess of a brain conjures up.

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Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Mar 29, 2022
Hello GreenFox,

It looks like you have written some fine software/algorithms to calculate numbers to play by position. Congrats.

Here is a pic of software that I wrote probably 10-12 years ago for draw 5 games.

It tries to tackle the problem differently by eliminating lots of combinations at once based on trending characteristics.

The Any Columns tells you how many draws it took to capture 1 ball, 2 balls, 3 balls, 4 balls, 5 balls. So for the last draw it took 13 previous draws before it captured all 5 balls in any order.

The Ver columns tells you how many draws it took capture 1 ball, 2 balls, 3 balls, 4 balls, 5 balls by vertical position.

Won't explain the other columns gets too complicated.

So the top half you set filters. I set two filters

I am betting that 1 ball will come from the previous 2 draws, and the next ball will come from 2 and 3 draws in the past. This eliminates combos to consider from 1,712,304 to 554,106.

Anyway kind of abandoned this software for Pick 3 and Pick 4 which is much easier to win.

It anything the Any and Ver calculations provides a visual of just how far in the past the balls have hit. For instance if you are not playing a ball that had not been seen in say 15 draws or longer you will probably not capture the winning combination. Of course Lucky for Life game has a fairly large pool of balls to choose from.

Good Luck

How are you jimj?

Thank you! It's been a process for sure. But fun for the majority of it.

You have some nice looking programming there also! I like how it looks like you can change to any game easily. I'm not good enough to do all that. I have to do mine one game at a time with this. One game at a time is all my brain can process anyway.

Getting rid of lots of combinations or even groups of numbers is the only way to go. Yours appears to get rid of all combinations of numbers that do not meet the criteria you are tracking. I have to do that at the end of this after it's ran and gotten rid of groups by positions. I'd really like to get it to that point, and will at some point. It's working good for now though. For me anyway.

Nice looking work jimj. Maybe you need to get it back out and try it again after you've rested from it? Might see what it is you missed or needed to after a break from it? That's the way it usually goes.

I wish I had my 3 and 4 draw work still. A friend from here had an older version of it that I've got to go back and update to where it was when I left. Thank God he had that much of it. No way I could recreate what it was from scratch. The updated version I had it picking the 4 draw every game. It wasn't by what it was showing though. It was a count total. The craziest thing I'd ever seen and no idea how it did it. It would do a count of numbers in cells, and the totals was the actual next winning numbers. Not somewhere it should have been seen. My PC froze and I lost how I did it and couldn't recreate it again. Not sure if that is any information that would help anyone or not, but that's what it did for me. It'll take a while to get it back to where it was updated to.

Thanks jimj and best of luck to you!

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Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Mar 30, 2022
Here is another Pic of state of game before tonight's draw

In this pic we show we are tracking the frequency of the game and ranking the numbers from Low Freq to High Freq.

We can see a trend that a low frequency number has hit in the last 12 consecutive draws.

So we could say we might assume that 1 number would come from 44, 17, 13, 38, 47 will hit in tonight's drawing.

What this means that any combination made up of 5 numbers from the other 43 remaining numbers are dead combinations. So 43! combinations equates to 962,598 combos we can eliminate from consideration.

That is what the filter FH5 I set to 43 does it says eliminate the 43 highest frequency numbers combinations of 5. You can also go the opposite direction if the high frequency numbers are hitting.

47 came out tonight so we would have been right. Still we would have 749,506 combos to consider.

Now you know why I switched to the Pick 3 and Pick 4 games. I can easily get down from 10,000 Pick 4 combos to less than 50 combos to play.

Jimmy

Why are you not still using this? If you can eliminate that many full combinations with one pass, there has to be a way to run it again to get rid of more combos. I'm not sure I could be getting this kind of results and abandon it.

I understand if the 3 and 4 draws are paying off well enough, but this seems to be doing very well and it would take a lot of 3 and 4 wins to make up one win with this. I don't know what kind of filters you have running in this, but may have some ideas to help cut down even more sets if you was interested. And you may have them in there already. Some I'll be talking about on here shortly, but some I'm not going to divulge publicly.

Super nice work Jimmy!

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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 30, 2022
In astrology, math, numerology, science, numbers count for something unlike lottery where the numbers don't even stand in for numbers. On the other hand, entire industries are built around memory in materials. All the springs in our cars have a memory of their neutral position and return to it as soon as possible, as do the plastics in lottery balls. I'm not married to this, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility the properties of the plastic each ball is molded of is slightly different, thicker here, thinner there, more or less flexible resulting in slightly difference bounce. Might make no difference what-so-ever.

BobP

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Good to hear from you BobP! Hope all is well there with you and yours!

From the beginning of man, and woman, the mind has created. It's where we came from and what we're here for. Our minds think of it, our hands make it so. We're made to create. We create through necessity, thoughts of an easier way. Sometimes by pure luck. If luck is even such a thing. Wisdom improves creations.

Speaking of car springs. I'm sure the first springs wasn't much count. After time, someone thought of a better way, and/or to use a better metal making them so they would work better and eventually to where they are now and can go back to their original position. They had to have all the previous thought of versions to get to where they are now. Through using the past as it was was the only way to get us to that point. I don't know why they wasn't perfect the first time around, or any other thing we've made, but there has to be some reason it all wasn't.

Take world peace. It's not a living person with a memory, but it's alive. For the most part anyway. Minus the few out there that don't know any better or just don't care about anything but themselves. It's always just been an idea, but once the thought was made, it spread all over in an alive sort of simulation. We still can't get that one right. Or maybe it's just not time for that one either.

Maybe the not supposed to's are just the points in-between and the path to the supposed to's?

Again, just throwing out the thoughts in this pea-brain.

Best of luck to you Mr. Bob!

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Quote: Originally posted by JeetKuneDoLotto on Mar 30, 2022
I dont think its so much that the balls have memory. But if MATH is correct, and there is a scientifc basis behind the art of conjecture, than the numbers have to "remember" when it is their time to show. Otherwise the number 1 would just hit everyday forever, like its a Bill Murry movie or something.

You just have to apply the correct or most fundamentally sound...

Hello Jeet,

That's pretty much what I'm saying with all this.

Your favorite fake president? Can't read what it says.

Best of luck to you!

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Quote: Originally posted by Wit24 on Mar 30, 2022
Hey Greenfox

Looks like you have managed to improved the system, you say without O/E or U/D filtering that's super awesome. Keep up the good work 👏...

Hello again Wit and good to hear from you!

It's been a pain recreating and going through it all, but that's when stubborness pays off. I guess anyway. We'll see.

Not sure about improved, but will say I'm happy with where it's at finally. Still some spots that need sorted out to finish it up, but is playable.

No, no actual O/E or D/U filtering programmed yet. It's more of a group selection process. That filtering just fried my brain when it came to cutting out options. Too much "what if I'm wrong with my decision" going on in my head. I bypass all that now until the end. Makes it much easier and less stressful.

Thank you much and best of luck to you!

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

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When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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Quote: Originally posted by Greenfox on Apr 4, 2022
Good to hear from you BobP! Hope all is well there with you and yours!

From the beginning of man, and woman, the mind has created. It's where we came from and what we're here for. Our minds think of it, our hands make it so. We're made to create. We create through necessity, thoughts of an easier way. Sometimes by pure luck. If luck is even such a thing. Wisdom improves creations.

Speaking of car springs. I'm sure the first springs wasn't much count. After time, someone thought of a better way, and/or to use a better metal making them so they would work better and eventually to where they are now and can go back to their original position. They had to have all the previous thought of versions to get to where they are now. Through using the past as it was was the only way to get us to that point. I don't know why they wasn't perfect the first time around, or any other thing we've made, but there has to be some reason it all wasn't.

Take world peace. It's not a living person with a memory, but it's alive. For the most part anyway. Minus the few out there that don't know any better or just don't care about anything but themselves. It's always just been an idea, but once the thought was made, it spread all over in an alive sort of simulation. We still can't get that one right. Or maybe it's just not time for that one either.

Maybe the not supposed to's are just the points in-between and the path to the supposed to's?

Again, just throwing out the thoughts in this pea-brain.

Best of luck to you Mr. Bob!

We get close and then some guy pops up and ruins everything. When you have a fish tank, it's quickly learned the more one's hands are in the tank, the sooner the fish die. However, if one fish were eating all the other fish, it needs to be removed. Either by us if we have the means or by a higher power that needs to check on the tank. How many times do we have to go through this to learn. Maybe we're just entertainment. <sigh>

BobP

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