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Player649

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Jan 14, 2025, 6:58 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stat$talker on Jan 11, 2025
"Something for you to ponder Stat$."

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As expected, Stat$, you don't have a clue what's the difference between wheels. Good luck in your fantasy world.
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:42 pm

So if you would like to see the 5005 combinations of 6 numbers in 15, Probaloto will print them out for you.

This is the statement in Probaloto description that triggered my attention. If this is a DOS application can it still run on anything, not to mention printing? I still have a bunch of my own design DOS softwares (wheel generator included) but I can't get anything running on any of my computers. Some stuff I reprogrammed for Windows but the generator was not included.

If Probaloto cannot be used anymore the code I provided, after some modifications, can be used for generating, displaying, saving & printing combinations Probaloto promises to do. Additionally, Probaloto is serving as a wheel generator as well. The question is what kind of wheels is it capable of generating and are these wheels actually playable? Give you an example. Needed wheels for 24 numbers with 6 tickets each. Tried to use Cover Master. What I got was 90% of the time numerical gibberish with many of the 24 numbers simply missing from the wheel. So I ended up heavily editing wheels from CV and actually generating several of them manually. Clearly, CV cannot handle many wheel parameter configurations.

In DOS era guaranteed wheels (fully covered) dominated. Today we know that such guarantees do not account for much as they can be applied only to small number groups or the wheel will become unplayable due to its size. The code I provided can be modified to not only generate combinations but also combine these combinations into wheels of any desired size and number composition.

That's the connection with Probaloto.
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Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jan 14, 2025
So if you would like to see the 5005 combinations of 6 numbers in 15, Probaloto will print them out for you.

This is the statement in Probaloto description that triggered my attention. If this is a DOS application can it still run on anything, not to mention printing? I still have a bunch of my own design DOS softwares (wheel generator included) but I can't get anything running on any of my computers. Some stuff I reprogrammed for Windows but the generator was not included.

If Probaloto cannot be used anymore the code I provided, after some modifications, can be used for generating, displaying, saving & printing combinations Probaloto promises to do. Additionally, Probaloto is serving as a wheel generator as well. The question is what kind of wheels is it capable of generating and are these wheels actually playable? Give you an example. Needed wheels for 24 numbers with 6 tickets each. Tried to use Cover Master. What I got was 90% of the time numerical gibberish with many of the 24 numbers simply missing from the wheel. So I ended up heavily editing wheels from CV and actually generating several of them manually. Clearly, CV cannot handle many wheel parameter configurations.

In DOS era guaranteed wheels (fully covered) dominated. Today we know that such guarantees do not account for much as they can be applied only to small number groups or the wheel will become unplayable due to its size. The code I provided can be modified to not only generate combinations but also combine these combinations into wheels of any desired size and number composition.

That's the connection with Probaloto.

Consider having a dedicated machine for older software, for Advanced Lotto Tool I had to install windows virtual machine to run it, other programs can be run using the windows properties for older versions, though I suppose you already know that.

CoverMaster is going to rewrite previous blocks of generated numbers as one tries to grow the wheel unless each previous wheel set is locked, then another wheel block can be generated and optimized without affecting the prior. CM makes placeholder pointer wheels, the actual numbers to be played must be exchanged for the pointers once the wheel is finished using the exchange tool, can be tricky printing/saving them as one way prints them the other reverts back to print the pointers.

The beauty of Proboloto was it supposedly could add weight to some numbers and hold something like a virtual lottery where the weighted numbers could appear more often in the wheel lines. I never pulled the trigger on Proboloto, would have been interesting to drop its wheels into CoverMaster to judge the quality.

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Jan 15, 2025, 8:26 am

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Jan 15, 2025
Consider having a dedicated machine for older software, for Advanced Lotto Tool I had to install windows virtual machine to run it, other programs can be run using the windows properties for older versions, though I suppose you already know that.

CoverMaster is going to rewrite previous blocks of generated numbers as one tries to grow the wheel unless each previous wheel set is locked, then another wheel block can be generated and optimized without affecting the prior. CM makes placeholder pointer wheels, the actual numbers to be played must be exchanged for the pointers once the wheel is finished using the exchange tool, can be tricky printing/saving them as one way prints them the other reverts back to print the pointers.

The beauty of Proboloto was it supposedly could add weight to some numbers and hold something like a virtual lottery where the weighted numbers could appear more often in the wheel lines. I never pulled the trigger on Proboloto, would have been interesting to drop its wheels into CoverMaster to judge the quality.

BobP

https://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

Bob, tried connecting to your link and nada

I was intrigued and know they do exist

Probably just a FireFox thing

I'll try chrome for more info on tree octopi
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Jan 15, 2025, 3:06 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Player649 on Jan 14, 2025
So if you would like to see the 5005 combinations of 6 numbers in 15, Probaloto will print them out for you.

This is the statement in Probaloto description that triggered my attention. If this is a DOS application can it still run on anything, not to mention printing? I still have a bunch of my own design DOS softwares (wheel generator included) but I can't get anything running on any of my computers. Some stuff I reprogrammed for Windows but the generator was not included.

If Probaloto cannot be used anymore the code I provided, after some modifications, can be used for generating, displaying, saving & printing combinations Probaloto promises to do. Additionally, Probaloto is serving as a wheel generator as well. The question is what kind of wheels is it capable of generating and are these wheels actually playable? Give you an example. Needed wheels for 24 numbers with 6 tickets each. Tried to use Cover Master. What I got was 90% of the time numerical gibberish with many of the 24 numbers simply missing from the wheel. So I ended up heavily editing wheels from CV and actually generating several of them manually. Clearly, CV cannot handle many wheel parameter configurations.

In DOS era guaranteed wheels (fully covered) dominated. Today we know that such guarantees do not account for much as they can be applied only to small number groups or the wheel will become unplayable due to its size. The code I provided can be modified to not only generate combinations but also combine these combinations into wheels of any desired size and number composition.

That's the connection with Probaloto.

You can try DOSBOX. Printing can be harder, but if it saves in a file, perhaps you can print it from notepad or notepad++.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:07 am

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Jan 15, 2025
Consider having a dedicated machine for older software, for Advanced Lotto Tool I had to install windows virtual machine to run it, other programs can be run using the windows properties for older versions, though I suppose you already know that.

CoverMaster is going to rewrite previous blocks of generated numbers as one tries to grow the wheel unless each previous wheel set is locked, then another wheel block can be generated and optimized without affecting the prior. CM makes placeholder pointer wheels, the actual numbers to be played must be exchanged for the pointers once the wheel is finished using the exchange tool, can be tricky printing/saving them as one way prints them the other reverts back to print the pointers.

The beauty of Proboloto was it supposedly could add weight to some numbers and hold something like a virtual lottery where the weighted numbers could appear more often in the wheel lines. I never pulled the trigger on Proboloto, would have been interesting to drop its wheels into CoverMaster to judge the quality.

BobP

https://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

Consider having a dedicated machine for older software, for Advanced Lotto Tool I had to install windows virtual machine to run it, other programs can be run using the windows properties for older versions, though I suppose you already know that.

I tried that. Had an older desktop for that purpose but it died of old age. On new machines all attempts to run on Windows DOS shell failed. Wonder why? I used one of the earliest versions of C (I'm a C man) and I suspect this may be the reason why nothing runs on DOS shells.

C was my real school of programming. Majority of programming habits I acquired at this stage. Simplifying the code and copious commenting are some of these habits.

That version of C had no debugger. You could only verify correctness of code by displaying variables and intended output. Believe it or not, I still use this technique today. I used it in Python.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:14 am

Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on Jan 15, 2025
You can try DOSBOX. Printing can be harder, but if it saves in a file, perhaps you can print it from notepad or notepad++.

I don't believe I tried DOSBOX although I heard about it. Perhaps I'll give it a shot. Printing function will probably be a headache but the wheel generator does save results in files. Thx.
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Quote: Originally posted by LottoBux on Jan 15, 2025
Bob, tried connecting to your link and nada

I was intrigued and know they do exist

Probably just a FireFox thing

I'll try chrome for more info on tree octopi

Just tried the link, works fine for me, interesting read, they're about as rare as budget hawks in congress.

BobP

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